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Post by reveeen on May 24, 2011 6:32:36 GMT -5
think that they are just kids toys that we have all seen.A vehicle with a range of 20 miles is a toy and certainly not practical for most of us. And let's pull the "green" card: We have been sold a faulty conception that electric is "green". You plug it in to charge it up, hooking your "green" device directly to the most polluting industry in N. America: www.science.smith.edu/~jcardell/Courses/EGR325/Readings/ElecPollution_EnvDef.pdfIn effect, moving pollution from under your nose to some remote location, but pollution just the same. I really would "like to believe", and without scratching the surface would "believe", but looking just a bit deeper into things shows the situation for what it is. A realistic review of the EVT 4000E here: www.all-electric-vehicles.com/Electric-Scooter-EVT4000e.htmlSo I found out that the when they get to a hill of 14° the top speed is only 10Km/hr and it stops at 14.2° which really won’t cut it where I live. The battery also needs to be replaced every year and a half and these can be very pricey. That said: I have an electric scooter of sorts here, bought cheaply needing repair, so that I could learn all about them. It will make a GREAT electric assisted bicycle (when I get around to it).
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Post by 2strokd on May 24, 2011 7:15:12 GMT -5
:laugh: Ya pulled the green card :disco: . Nobody really even mentioned it being real "green" and you start picking the poor thing apart. I think its a great form of transport. Things take a little time to get right sometimes. This is still a kinda new approach to the scoot world and im betting it might take some time to get all the bugs worked out. Or to see just how well the whole idea takes off before more companies catch on and start manufacturing ele scoots. They do that and quality will go up(some names will) and prices down IMO. When they started building and producing automobiles they werent fast and they didnt get great mileage, and werent economical. But hey, we stuck at it and look at them today. They go over 100mph and get over 30mpg.
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Post by reveeen on May 24, 2011 7:24:41 GMT -5
I *think* if we could just get folks moved out of 8mpg SUV's and into small cars that would be more effective.
And yes, you are right, it took over 100 years to get to where we are vehicle wise, and likely will take at least another 100 years to get somewhere else.
There is a fellow, goes by my house (I live on a hill) every day to work, at a brisk walking pace, on his electric scooter.
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Post by 2strokd on May 24, 2011 7:36:13 GMT -5
:spin: Poor guy! Im sure hes makin it tho, if he goes by everyday..
Yes i agree, we need less big SUV,s on the road :help:
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Post by marshinman on May 24, 2011 16:38:15 GMT -5
While you may say that a scooter that only goes 22 miles on a full charge is a toy I have to disagree to this. Here are some hard core facts that may change your mind. 1) I drive a KIA Sportage that gets 19 mpg. 2) The closest store to my house that carries groceries is 2 miles away. 3) If I drive the scooter to the store I can get 11 trips out of it which will cost me about .40 to charge it. 4) If I drive my KIA back and forth those 11 trips and I am accounting for shutting off the motor and starting it back up it will cost me 2 gallons of gas which on a average right now is about $8.00. So do we spend $8.00 to travel to the store or .40 to travel, I think that one is a no brain er. The other thing to think of is this. The reason why there is not a lot more electric vehicles or in the past there has not been more created and gone into production is due to the petroleum companies and their fear of loosing money. Lets face it while our country does have a president and a government the real people the run this country and the petroleum companies. They set the price for gas which then set a domino affect in place for everything else. Back in the early 80's a company out of Florida started creating the electric car bp0.blogger.com/_q5shSK3UHig/SBuZCvjxEUI/AAAAAAAAAKI/m4C8Zk-Yrmw/s1600-h/little+electric+car.jpg the production of this car was halted after they refused to let the petroleum companies buy stock in it. Thus this company was some how shut down and went to the way side. I am not saying the petroleum companies are all bad but they do have a big influence on what can and does get produced. One more quick fact that you may find interesting, if you watch Myth Buster, Jamie from the show is co owner is a company that produces all electric ATV's that are 4 wheel drive and last for several hours on a single charge. Please post your comments to the thread I welcome hearing what you have to say and enjoy having the conversation about this. I have a four wheeler that I am getting ready to convert to all electric using two 17,200 RPM motors and will be 1900 watts. I converted a Honda XR125 last year and it did 35 mph and had a great time with it in the woods and even did jumps with it. I had created it for a friend that owns a recycle yard and wanted it to use on his commercials and he rides it in the local parades.
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Post by lshigham on May 24, 2011 16:48:05 GMT -5
Yeah, but when you live 11miles away from the nearest store and it's 55mph roads, electric just won't cut it. Some of us, myself and Brent included, ride for the fun of it, electric makes long trips impossible. I plan to do 150miles Saturday with a local scooter club.
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Post by marshinman on May 24, 2011 17:06:53 GMT -5
Lets me answer your statements.
Yeah, but when you live 11miles away from the nearest store and it's 55mph roads, electric just won't cut it. "This would also mean that a 50cc gas scooter would not cut it either"
Some of us, myself and Brent included, ride for the fun of it, electric makes long trips impossible. "While I agree on riding on long trips for leisure is not possible at this point it still provides a low cost way of transportation in short distances"
I plan to do 150miles Saturday with a local scooter club. "We know that there is not a electric scooter out there that will do 150 miles, the time is coming and it will be soon."
The forum is created for all to benefit from and to gain information from. I can see your point on saying that the electric scooter can not provide you with a good range of transportation, but for alot of people it does, while it currently would not benefit you in this manner.
If I have offended you in any way I do apologize, I am only trying to show the possibilities of the electric scooter and hopefully we will see this improve. Please have a GREAT day and look forward to seeing further post of mine as I do my electric ATV. If you have any questions please by all means send me a Private message or post to this thread, I will be glad to answer.
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Post by marshinman on May 24, 2011 17:41:20 GMT -5
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Post by reveeen on May 24, 2011 18:08:56 GMT -5
it still provides a low cost way of transportation in short distances
If "cheap" is your goal then short distances are better covered by using up some shoe leather. Those groceries are better fetched home in a shopping cart. Anyone considering 20 trips to buy groceries should buy a truck. If ranging a bit farther..... then a bicycle is the answer. A 20 mile range is no better than a short bicycle ride.
My Ranger gives 26mpg in town, 36 on the highway. 1 trip to a 2 mile away store costs 68 cents (my gasoline is $7.50 a gallon), 28 cents more than the cost of 20 of your trips. The factor you do not consider is time, and not only trip time, the time you would spend in the check-out line 20 times. Maybe you do not value your time, but I value mine, in fact I would be willing to pay not to make 20 boring trips, or wait in the check-out line 20 times, as would anybody with 1/2 a brain.
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Post by marshinman on May 24, 2011 18:50:20 GMT -5
First let me say in starting this thread I did not imagine I would start a argument or this deep of a discussion. Myself being a Noob in no way wants any type of argument from any one as I came to this forum for answers and to hopefully gain friends. I was asked to post information about my electric scooter because there was not any or much information out there on this forum about it. Reveen, I do apologize if I have upset you in any manner.
I think that the only thing that will come out of this thread is going to be more argument.
As I said before in the beginning of my thread was that my wife enjoys to ride the scooter down by the farm and it is leisure for her.
I also have purchased a gas scooter for her because she wanted to go further.
While I do agree that this scooter does not go far enough to make it to the local Wal-Mart and back it still does provide a form of transportation that makes my wife happy and if you are married and happy wife is way more important than a unhappy wife.
I am curious in creating alternative forms of transportation that use electric and this was the first idea I had when I purchased the scooter as I thought I could make it go 90mph and not use any gas. Well until I can afford that I will continue to imagine and create just like I will do when designing my electric ATV.
By the way the ATV is a DINLI with a 90cc motor/CVT that I will be using to create a fast scooter while using the ATV rolling frame for an electric project.
If I have upset anyone during the process of this thread I do apologize and look towards the wealth of knowledge that is here for my future projects.
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Post by 90GTVert on May 24, 2011 19:00:45 GMT -5
I think he meant he could go 11 times on a single charge, not that he would go that many times all at once to make up for having a larger storage space. I believe that they are cool little scoots. I know folks that are in cities could get multiple uses on a charge. Might be nice for them. Not everyone wants to walk or ride mass transit all of the time. Maybe we should, but we just don't. The whole green part isn't why I'd ever consider an electric. Then again, I'm the jerk that rides 3 2Ts and a Mustang that might be capable of 10MPG. Even with that said, I hate giant SUVs like you guys lol. I don't get the point other than being status symbols. My car is something I'm really into and you could look at it as another form of education. I know some folks with SUVs that hardly ever have even a 2nd person riding along and don't carry anything with them really. A friend's mom drove a Lincoln Navigator with a 5.4L when we were younger. I hated that thing. She had it cause it was expensive. Rode every day to work alone. Used the Cadiallac on weekends when the family went out. On top of that, it's a waste of a perfectly good 5.4L V8. Poor thing is struggling hauling that fat vehicle around, shoulda been in a Mustang or a Focus or something. lol If it's a gas guzzler, it better serve a purpose or be fast IMO. I know most won't agree with that last bit. BTW, no need to apologize. I asked you to start the thread and I appreciate it. It's cool to learn about new things and I'm glad you were willing to share your experiences with us. No one is getting out of line here IMO, so discuss away.
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Post by marshinman on May 24, 2011 19:15:51 GMT -5
I have a 71 Dodge Charger with a 440 a 3 Holy 750 double pumpers on it and it has a 3 speed manual trans. It mostly sits in the garage and I have been asked by many to sell it. Talking about gas guzzlers I think it get about 8 mpg but I built it from ground up and have owned it for 13 years it its my way of getting rid of stress from work. Its a fun ride and with the price of gas its lucky to be that once or twice a month...LOL
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Post by marshinman on May 24, 2011 19:26:57 GMT -5
Here is yet another Idea I thought of that takes the best of both worlds. A gas scooter and a Electric scooter. What if you were to take a gas scooter and add the hub motor to the front tire. in the event that you run out of gas you would be able to switch over to the electric and make it to the gas station. When running on gas the hub would act as a generator and charge the battery pack. This would give you the best of both.
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Post by 90GTVert on May 24, 2011 19:26:59 GMT -5
Very nice! :thumb: Same with mine. It's been mine for 10 years and it's pretty much sat there collecting dust for the last few.
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Post by lshigham on May 25, 2011 10:26:09 GMT -5
Lets me answer your statements. Yeah, but when you live 11miles away from the nearest store and it's 55mph roads, electric just won't cut it. "This would also mean that a 50cc gas scooter would not cut it either" Some of us, myself and Brent included, ride for the fun of it, electric makes long trips impossible. "While I agree on riding on long trips for leisure is not possible at this point it still provides a low cost way of transportation in short distances" I plan to do 150miles Saturday with a local scooter club. "We know that there is not a electric scooter out there that will do 150 miles, the time is coming and it will be soon." I ride a 69.99cc gas scooter on 55mph's road's quite happily. I'm a bit of a two stroke tuning nut, as a visit to my build thread will show you. I don't ride a scoot through necessity, rather choice. As it stands, gas in the UK is running at $8.6 a US gallon, so yeah, there is certainly need for more efficient petrol/electric scooters
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