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Post by ryan_ott on Jan 8, 2019 10:36:02 GMT -5
That's not the picture we want. You are teasing! It’s delivered to my shop, I just won’t get back until the end of the day to pick it up. I’ve waited this long I can wait a little longer. Now how do I prep it without my kids seeing it. They don’t know about it.  |
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Post by ryan_ott on Jan 8, 2019 19:21:45 GMT -5
Now we mean business! The Chinese to English conversion has always been off but...  |
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Post by ryan_ott on Jan 10, 2019 12:35:04 GMT -5
Disassembly and reassembly is under way. On the positive side the frame and suspension look pretty beefy. Gussets are added where they should be, it does have a pull start on the cvt cover... not that you could reach it. Maybe that’s where the positive ends. China stuff you have to expect some issues but this thing is almost comical. I’m sure I’ll forget some stuff but here it goes: vac and fuel supply on the wrong barbs on the fuel pump, vac lines not hooked up and kinked off, engine vents kinked off, wire harness laying on exhaust header, plastics needed to be trimmed so you can open the gas cap, brake lines facing the wrong way so they rub on suspension parts, way under sized cotter pins on bolts, I am missing brackets for the doors but I expect to get replacements, and to top it off it was stuck in reverse, yes I pulled the trans cover to align the gears properly, rear differential had no lube in it. I drained all fluids and changed then so I was expecting something to come out, nope. Not that it’s hard stuff to fix it just takes time and it’s just on a much larger scale then a scoot. The kids are thrilled with it. It got a better reaction then our last trip to Disney. Was it worth it? The happiness on their faces makes it worth the effort. Sure I like projects, it was much cheaper and is larger then comparable vehicles, it’ll give me quality fun time with my kids, it’s a good base to build something better off of. I’ll put a few miles on it before I mod it to see if it’s capable. Instead of modding this engine I’ll probably just swap in a water cooled atv engine. Cost wise makes sense to me plus it’ll give me heat.        |
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Post by oldgeek on Jan 10, 2019 16:28:39 GMT -5
Is that a single ball from a bearing, loose in the back corner of the trans, or an illusion? (last pic)
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Post by ryan_ott on Jan 10, 2019 17:21:21 GMT -5
It is a ball, it’s for the “click” from forward to reverse. The spring it’s sitting on just pushes it up against a gear set. Found why the trans wouldn’t go into forward. See that raised tooth to the left, yup that’ll do it. Press it flat and add a bevel to the teeth and it’s good as new. Well better then new I guess.  |
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Post by 90GTVert on Jan 10, 2019 17:32:28 GMT -5
You've found something to surpass the issues that Chinese scooters have out of the crate. Impressive. Glad it's in such capable hands. Stuff like that tooth is well beyond what the average user that can do basic maintenance and a quick PDI would probably ever figure out on their own. Hell, I'd probably be swearing at it in at least 3 languages and challenging the neighbor's riding mower to a reverse drag race by now. lol
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Post by ryan_ott on Jan 10, 2019 17:45:29 GMT -5
Thanks Brent! I’ve cursed plenty at it but you just need to step back and realize it’s not going to fix itself. If you break it down all the issues are minor it’s just a matter of finding them all. To me it makes sense to make it right the first time so you don’t need to go back.
I’ve been sent a request to rate our item it my be worded “Just because your husband can change the lawnmower oil doesn’t mean he can assemble this”.
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Post by aeroxbud on Jan 11, 2019 15:39:50 GMT -5
It seems like most of the issues are just carelessness on the manufacturing side. Little things that should of been easily picked up at the factory if they had any sort of quality control.
On the plus side it's going to bring a lot of joy to your kid's. 👍
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Post by ryan_ott on Jan 11, 2019 21:33:07 GMT -5
I think I got all the bugs out of it, or so I hope. I grabbed the fire extinguisher and took the runts for a quick late night lap around the neighborhood and I have to say it moved along pretty good for carrying 800 pounds or more. I didn’t check the speed but I’d say somewhere around 30+/- There may be more but there’s no need to push it after dark in the neighborhood. Now to go find some dirt, or snow...
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Post by ryan_ott on Jan 12, 2019 19:11:16 GMT -5
I’m not sure how many beers it took but I found the last of the bugs. I’m not sure which was better the uncapped switched B+ in the loom or the steering shaft that was barely 3mm into the Ujoint. It’ll do reverse burnouts on pavement, forward gear is pretty high but it’ll still spin on grass. I still haven’t pulled the CVT cover which I need to do so a can get or see if there is a quality belt under there and decent variator guides. Would I buy this again knowing what lies underneath hell no, was it worth it in the end yes but it was a fu**ing pain. I literally disassembled and reassembled the entire vehicle to be sure it’s all good. A little quality control could go a long way. When the motor dies I’ll then look into a 300cc ATV motor swap. I’ll keep the 150cc going with maintenance, belts and cvt stuff but when the time comes it’s out of there. I think it’s just more cost effective then building this up.
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Post by ryan_ott on Jan 12, 2019 19:19:06 GMT -5
I also added a volt meter to keep tabs on the charging system which seems to be very capable at idle it’s at 14.7 and holds it for the entire rev range. Anyone know what the stock GY6 stator is good for in terms of watts.  |
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Post by 90GTVert on Jan 12, 2019 20:09:31 GMT -5
The GY6 can have 6, 8, 11 or 12 pole stators. The 11-12 pole are very capable, and you should see 3 yellow wires coming from the stator if it has one of those. I think it's something like 75-100W for the 8 pole.
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Post by ryan_ott on Jan 12, 2019 20:36:53 GMT -5
Hmmm I think I’ll have to pull the flywheel (if I have a puller) and see. There are 4 wires blue(pickup), white, green and yellow. I’ve seen some online with my colors for a 11 pole.
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Post by ryan_ott on Jan 15, 2019 18:43:36 GMT -5
The Chinese engineers think it’s ok to use self tapping screws to hold the doors on... I know better, nuts welded on the frame would do a much better job. More american ingenuity to come...    screen capture windows 7 |
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Post by snaker on Jan 15, 2019 19:47:19 GMT -5
Hmmm I think I’ll have to pull the flywheel (if I have a puller) and see. There are 4 wires blue(pickup), white, green and yellow. I’ve seen some online with my colors for a 11 pole.
Your four wire description would indicate a single phase lighting circuit (white and yellow = lighting coil outputs, and green = ground) Blue or Blue/white = yup, pickup trigger). Missing is the red/black wire (AC ignition power coil). That would suggest that you have a DC ignition.
These carts have several engine brands and configurations just like the scooters. The older 150cc cart electricals were generally all AC except for DC on the battery / starter. Newer carts have evolved to running all DC circuits. I think that most of the 150 stators are full wave but you will have to check all that to be sure.
My ASW brand 1500cc cart that I bought new in 2010 is all DC. The stator is a 8 pole, single phase, full wave but also has a AC ignition power coil that is unused. The black/red wire sits disconnected in the wire harness.
For capacity I use a general rule of thumb. I multiply the 10 amp rated main fuse by 12 volts for a estimate 120 watts. I changed out the scooter battery for a riding lawnmower battery back in about 2012. I have various 12 volt tools that I use with the cart: drill, electric chainsaw, spot light, radio, flood lites, sprayer, mini air compressor and it holds up fine - no external charging.
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