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Post by Kenho21 on Aug 12, 2019 10:23:19 GMT -5
90GTVert Seems this motor is the 158mj-a variant of GY6. Not sure if that is the same as GY6-B, but parts definitely do not seem any more available. Can’t find a single part anywhere. Some of the 157mj stuff may fit because it seems like they took that air cooled and carbureted motor and made it liquid and efi, then added one (157+1=158) and made it the “A” variant of the 158mj. Presumably, the “A” means liquid cooled lol? It’s all convoluted and doesn’t seem like it makes for easily replaceable parts. Bummer. If it seems to good one true, it always is. Damnit. Brent is dead on here. While it is a GY6 based engine, the "B" variation used in any bike with a 16" wheel (air or liquid cooled) has some specific parts requirements that negates the easy part interchangeability of the standard GY6 long and shortcase engines. I'm not going to say it's a bad buy, but if even I don't have many of the parts for it, who does? Anyway, here's a few of the replacement parts that I have. These engines are relatively rare in the US on the grand scheme, so it's not easy for us to import all of the parts to support them due to high MOQs out of China. www.partsforscooters.com/search-results?search=gy6-bMatt PS: To make matters more confusing, the wide spaced blocks that people use to make 180cc+ GY6 engines are also called "B" case engines. They are not the same thing. For some reason, a rare Chinese scooter does not sound like something I would want lol.
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Post by michimoper on Aug 12, 2019 23:37:57 GMT -5
According to the link that you posted, this thing is manufactured in Taiwan. Not sure I believe that, but, Taiwan scooters, Kymco, SYM and others, seem to have a pretty good rep. Anyway, for what it's worth, my brother bought a Montgomery Ward's Riverside 49cc scooter, back in the mid-60's. It was built and imported by Benelli.
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Post by Kenho21 on Aug 13, 2019 8:48:00 GMT -5
According to the link that you posted, this thing is manufactured in Taiwan. Not sure I believe that, but, Taiwan scooters, Kymco, SYM and others, seem to have a pretty good rep. Anyway, for what it's worth, my brother bought a Montgomery Ward's Riverside 49cc scooter, back in the mid-60's. It was built and imported by Benelli. Yeah, everything I've read aside from that names a very Chinese company that owns Benelli. Also from what I've read, back in the 60s is the last time Benelli was really Benelli. Then, there was an attempt at reviving the comapny sometime in the 90s or 00s and that failed and was also the last time they were manufactured in Italy. Now, it's just another very Chinese company making sub-par(imo) scoots. Sad. I bet your brother's bike was pretty sweet though.
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Post by Kenho21 on Aug 17, 2019 21:56:27 GMT -5
I need opinions... So, if any of you folks were to buy this scoot, everything considered, what would you pay or would you not even bother? The guy just messaged me and asked me what I will give him for it because he needs it gone. Interested to hear some numbers if you got one.
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Post by GrumpyUnk on Aug 19, 2019 10:00:44 GMT -5
If you are not friends, where a low-ball offer would offend, make the lowest offer you think you could get away with. Another tactic is to ask what is the lowest figure he would take.(and then offer whatever you want, equal or less than that figure) My personal take is that things that go blammo at the wrong time may be inspected to the point that the blammo is avoided. If the engine starts well, and runs nicely, and the power train from there on is fully functional, and you have replaced the questionable lubricants with known-good brands, you are past a lot of problem areas. The 'soft parts', such as brake light, turn signal, horn, and other switches are likely ok, but, they are likely NOT as weatherproof as desired. I have seen so many with switches that have bits of rust left inside the plastic. The gizzards having decomposed to iron oxide of no known shape. They are not ready to be parked in the rain uncovered, IMO. In short, think of the overall quality you see, and judge what sort of things you can expect, and your willingness to put up with some of these foibles. I'd lowball. If he's asking $1200, I'd offer six, and note that there's no warranty nor any guarantee that the thing will run past the first oil change. Given there is no support, you are at the whim of possible parts searches that take you to other countries. NOT that you'd have to replace stuff, but it sure is a good 'tool' to argue down the saleability and retail price. You also could add that should your friend tire of it, who in their right mind would buy it, except another sccoter nerd... Again, lowball. tom
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Post by Kenho21 on Aug 19, 2019 10:23:22 GMT -5
So, I went and took a look at it again yesterday and offered him $500. Upon closer inspection, it was missing hose clamps, some hose were BARELY connected or just hanging off and it was pretty obvious that QC was out to lunch when this thing was assembled. It looks, sounds, and rides super nice though. I think with a good once over I would be pretty confident it will holdup, but with all this being said, why not just spend a couple more dollars on a few year old Kymco that will run like the dickens.
Scariest part about the bike is a, what almost seems like, one-off coolant and EFI system. I'm sure there are parts out there that would work, but I couldn't easily find any that looked like it would fit this thing. And with how complicated those systems are compared to what's on most other Chinese scoots, I lack confidence haha.
This thing was only worth it to me if it was a screaming deal. Just wasn't sure with all the variables these bikes can have what a realistic "screamin deal" would be lol.
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Post by SMALL CC TEK on Aug 19, 2019 10:34:37 GMT -5
Benelli only made large capacity motorcycles till they were brought out by the Chinese. So anything else is likely of Chinese origin. The build quality is said to be better than most. I second this motion ! lol Decent build quality Chinese built but with some quality control behind it ... I wanted to be a Benelli dealer about 8 years ago because they had CZ and i wanted that sportbike they had ! lol
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Post by birdman on Aug 19, 2019 11:03:13 GMT -5
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Post by SMALL CC TEK on Aug 19, 2019 17:14:08 GMT -5
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Post by Kenho21 on Aug 19, 2019 19:45:10 GMT -5
That is a pretty decent writeup on the TNT. Really cool looking bike. Sounds like that guy had a really good experience with that bike, but the quality control mentioned in that article definitely isn't present on the scoot I looked at lol. It's hard to argue that Chinese scoots haven't gotten better. The parts and everything may be great, but the the final assembly of hoses and stuff seems to be lacking more than anything. In all fairness though, who knows if the current owner or people at the emissions lab messed with stuff as well. Either way, it's still the lack of parts that would be most scary to me, but SMALL CC TEK pointing me to that distributor definitely makes a difference. Thank you. I called SSR Motorsports and they said they are just corporate, but their website has a link to dealers in my area, which apparently there are a few. Sweet. I'm going to call around tomorrow to a couple and ask about parts and pricing. Does anyone know a couple EFI or liquid cooling parts I could inquire about to give me an idea of their prices? I'm so unfamiliar with this stuff... I just hope that 5 years from now I would still be able to find parts as well. Their "158mj-a" motor only seems to exist on their spec sheet.
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Post by Kenho21 on Aug 19, 2019 19:46:07 GMT -5
I still think he may come back to the $500 and think about it more realistically. I live in Ann Arbor and not many people buy anything bigger than 50cc's around here.
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Post by GrumpyUnk on Aug 20, 2019 12:40:55 GMT -5
It won't hurt(or would not have...) to mention the parts availability concern. Make it clear that this machine may be considered an 'orphan' two minutes after you take possession. Note that if that's the case, you would have $xxx invested and nothing of value. It should make clear the actual 'retail, at will buyer/seller exchange' price. (both willing seller and purchaser agree without any other influence) He may have another offer or the idea that he will find someone. Fine, and good luck. Make clear you are not trying to make him feel bad, and just figure you have little knowledge about the maker, the product future, and availability of replacement parts... all of which add up to a big downer on retail value. tom
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Post by Kenho21 on Aug 21, 2019 11:26:49 GMT -5
It won't hurt(or would not have...) to mention the parts availability concern. Make it clear that this machine may be considered an 'orphan' two minutes after you take possession. Note that if that's the case, you would have $xxx invested and nothing of value. It should make clear the actual 'retail, at will buyer/seller exchange' price. (both willing seller and purchaser agree without any other influence) He may have another offer or the idea that he will find someone. Fine, and good luck. Make clear you are not trying to make him feel bad, and just figure you have little knowledge about the maker, the product future, and availability of replacement parts... all of which add up to a big downer on retail value. tom I guess I didn't mention it in my previous posts, but I definitely drove home the near total lack of parts availability for the thing and especially in regards to the EFI and cooling. That's my main bargaining chip, aside from the Chinese factor for sure. I've sold everything from cars to mortgages in the past, so I'm pretty fluent in bargaining lol. I don't think he has any other offers at the moment. He's a really cool guy and we sat and BSed for a while. I've been super up-front with him and I believe he is being very up-front with me too. I know where this guy works and have an idea of what he makes. Money isn't his concern (but doesn't want to take a $750 loss either), strictly his wife who seems to be terrorizing him over his possession of this thing. He said he married a "crazy Colombian" woman. I have a decent amount of confidence that he may come back around and offload it to me. If not, no big deal. I'd rather not have it honestly. I'll be done with school (again) soon and have a big boy job again and be able to afford something nicer anyway.
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Post by Kenho21 on Aug 21, 2019 11:28:14 GMT -5
If I do get it, who wants to buy a Benelli 150cc for $600!?!? hahaha
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Post by Kenho21 on Nov 20, 2019 17:40:19 GMT -5
So the seller just messaged me about this thing again. I guess he's taken a couple spills on it, but says it's still in decent shape. I'm awaiting updated pics of new damage. Now he's offering it for $600... I can probably get it for $500.
Here's my questions:
It's a liquid cooled 150cc electronic fuel injected GY6 that doesn't have tons of parts available, but there are some. How hard would it be to convert it to carbureted if need be? Would it be as simple as removing the fuel injection system and throwing a carb on top?
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