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Post by shifter32 on Jul 12, 2015 14:48:58 GMT -5
anyone know anything about the arreche carb. the atomizers?  i have a 5175/4 carb. for 2 strokes, its listed for a dio, and 3 other 2 stroke type bikes. the bottom atomizer is what came out. the top is what i got to replace it with. has anyone ever used one of these and know anything about it. could maybe someone have one that has atomizers like the top, have some information on theirs so maybe i could get one of those, maybe get yours if you dont want it, like it. if i can use it on my bike. ive got the jets and these atomizers like the top one, but the stock 105 atomizer doesnt idle on my bike. when i did start my bike, idling with that top atomizer, it idles but it bogs down when i rev it back. |
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Post by 2TDave on Jul 12, 2015 16:32:14 GMT -5
I ran a 19mm Arreche and never needed to change it. Have you tuned the rest of the carb? Might help to know what your setup is.
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Post by shifter32 on Jul 12, 2015 16:40:53 GMT -5
dio honda elite. it doesnt idle, with an arreche. what questions specific do you need. how does that help anything when it wont start. it makes banging noises, i can hear the engine firing, it will kinda idle, but not really.
with the leanest needle, i can barely get it to idle with the idle speed screw wayyy in. 17.5mm arreche here i got 5175/4 version. what is the main jet got to do with it. its been switched from an 80 to a 110 and this happens, everytime.
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Post by shifter32 on Jul 12, 2015 17:00:01 GMT -5
I ran a 19mm Arreche and never needed to change it. Have you tuned the rest of the carb? Might help to know what your setup is. i dont want a tuning setup.. s28.postimg.org/o5s94gynh/amalarreche_0031.jpgwhat have you seen? i dont need to tune everything else to get it to start. but since you asked me 80-110 main jet. 15-35 idle jet nothing idles but a 15 idle jet and the leanest neelde, barrely with the idle screw screwed, all the way almost in. then it will barely idle. no other idle jet will even idle period ever. whatsoever. barely will even start up. no other needle optino will idle. bike barely starts as it is with this carb. i have that atomzier, i need to swap it down. i did but it doesnt really work right. but i swapped that atomizer 103 in the top one, and upped the idle jet to a 20. about 2 1/2 turns out on the mixture screw and it idles away just fine. and the middle needle for reference, arrehce has 15-40 idle jets, in 5 size steps, so.. 15, 20, 25... they have 3 needles. richest, middle, and leanest. each needle has 3 clicks on it. they have these atomizers but see mine is the bottom one up there, then the ones ive seen anywhere and everywhere i look are the ones at the top. never heard of a different version and only seen pictures of the one like the top. read somewhere someoen had a motor like mine, used the arreche, swapped atomizers to the leanest 103 version from teh stock 105 it comes with, and it for them, revved back right. mine wont idle. and the only other difference is mine has a dio arreche. theres was a different one, for the honda elite. the flange size is bigger on mine. i just read this somewhere. thats it. |
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Post by shifter32 on Jul 12, 2015 17:17:39 GMT -5
i already posted in a thread askign for jetting help im just asking about atomizers for these 16-21mm arreche carburetors.
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Post by shifter32 on Jul 13, 2015 20:02:25 GMT -5
hey, 90gtvert, you've got one of these carbs. dont you?
could you get it out and help me out and check the atomizer by removing it, the replacements i bought dont split, so i would think they just unscrew.
and, are the splitted? are they the same as the atomizer at the top? which carb, number version did you get? im looking for a 21mm like whatever uses the top type of atomizer.
or I just need some atomizers. but i have seen none of them
would you just take it apart and help me? and give me some details on what you got?
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Post by shifter32 on Jul 13, 2015 20:30:05 GMT -5
or anyone, that runs any of these carbs. my only option is running a different atomizer, and these carbs should be the same. maybe its only the atomizer, but the place i read that ran a bike like mine, honda elite, they ran a different atomizer and their problem wasnt idling, it was revving back. theirs bogged. mine won't idle.\
anyone
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Post by iwiketuddlz on Jul 14, 2015 7:09:17 GMT -5
Sounds like air leak!!! Or possible exhaust leak as well!!!
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Post by shifter32 on Jul 14, 2015 12:37:59 GMT -5
See these? yea. can you give me some info on a carb that has one like the top. or what the deal is with the bottom one. i put what information type of carb this is, my bike doesnt need to be included in this. |
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Post by shifter32 on Jul 14, 2015 12:40:22 GMT -5
i guess ill have to start another topic since everybodys worried about what kind of bike i got.
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Post by shifter32 on Jul 14, 2015 12:47:31 GMT -5
the problem here, is ive not asked for any bike tuning on this. im showing a picture, thats the problem.
ive asked 90gtvert the day i joined this forum. and ive made 2 posts on this now. i've asked him to check his carb, he says he has one. i sent him a private message. now hes not even responded back to it. he could help me out.
but instead, my bike sits out there, in the rain for 2 weeks collecting mold. i cant ride it. i screwed with the stupid phbg carburetor. im now tired of it, its too complicated whatever buy my bike and it both and tune them then if you cant you owe me the bike back, but im not giving any money back i got for it. becuase its impossible to tune that carb. I have 3 different manifolds that fit it and the bike. 2 of them are similiar and the other is a host like connection. whatever, anyway, everytime i put it on it cuts out down low. no matter what i change or do it cuts out down low. i can get it to run, alright kinda running. with all the different swaps ive done, its going to take more drastic changes to see if it will even attempt to work.
whatever, a second, easier to tune carb, with 3 needles total, 3 atomizers total, and only pilot jets, in 6 flavors and main jets to tune it with, itd be done in no time and id be able to go on it.
but as of right now it sits there, I cant compare it to a nother one cause i dont have another one. i dont really have the money either for another one. or do i want to even get ANOTHER carb. Id really like to know which one has this same top piece part in that picture more than anything. for me this carb revs back just fine, but with the atomizer in it, it won't idle. which isnt ridable.
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Post by TheAmishSasquatch on Jul 14, 2015 16:43:39 GMT -5
Just seen this here. I'd like to offer more help but Im not familiar with that type of carb; what I am familiar with is the concept of respect and gratitude. Both which you might want to work on. I understand your frustrated and upset your bike is unusable, I would be too. We are all here to help, and complaining about the help given or about questions asked so that we can better help you, is not the way to make progress or incite help from others who may have the knowledge your requesting. Just a thought. Hope you can get the carb tuned. GL
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Post by shifter32 on Jul 14, 2015 16:57:49 GMT -5
Just seen this here. I'd like to offer more help but Im not familiar with that type of carb; what I am familiar with is the concept of respect and gratitude. Both which you might want to work on. I understand your frustrated and upset your bike is unusable, I would be too. We are all here to help, and complaining about the help given or about questions asked so that we can better help you, is not the way to make progress or incite help from others who may have the knowledge your requesting. Just a thought. Hope you can get the carb tuned. GL im not asking for jetting help. IM askign clearly about the arreche carb, IT ONLY. no questions about tuning my bike, and if i get irritated, its my topic and ill cry if i want to. ...go make your own thread if you dont like it. really its not helpful. im not complaining. its just ive messaged someoen and they didnt even message me back, or anything. and ive had other carb problems and they told me made up stories, needle affects idle and im donig everything wrong. your telling me my bike. how disrespectful is that? im getting mixed answers from this forum while getting no responses. if i was to video everything id post it and then youd never come back. |
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Post by shifter32 on Jul 14, 2015 17:07:28 GMT -5
just forget why im changing jets. just know that i am.
your saying my bike is the problem. or my jet is the problem. and thats saying your right and im wrong. and thats all im getting and this topic, isnt even about jetting.
the last topic on the dellorto, i was told 2 answers to my 2 problems. one, it didnt run, second it was overheating. the answer was use the needle get it to idle, run. the second was stop changing everything. that was coutner-productive to what i was doing. i am changing jets, to jet it. when i did i explained. im not complaining your being counter helping. im being clear, and not getting a straight answer from noone. ive not mixed up what im saying and im trying to get a suggestion or some help.
and 90gtvert who told me to get it running by using the needle, and thats what i was complainging of, but not jetting, won't respond to me in a message about the arreche.
so im just sitting here looking at my bike, and reading replies to me like this.
so thats about how my bike runs.
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Post by TheAmishSasquatch on Jul 14, 2015 17:19:49 GMT -5
Your obviously young and unfamiliar with forum edicate. Im trying to help you get what you want. Ive not said anything about your bike whatsoever so for you to claim such is outwardly false. If you relax a moment and re read you will see Ive only posted in the other thread (which wasnt yours to begin with and as such you had no place to cry about it as you say) I suggested checking a manual or website on your carb for better help. If you were unsatisfied with the help you recieved then why are you upset that person not respond giving you more suggestions? You need to understand the operating principles of the carburetor. Eacanstep and part is reliant on the next and one before. The slightest change to one affects the other. Just relax yourself and perhaps others will try to help. If you carry on as your doing, no one will want to help you. Remember in this situation you need our knowledge more then we need your attitue.
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