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Post by Elektrey on Nov 30, 2016 16:45:55 GMT -5
As someone who has a 50cc scooter and rode it for a while and then got a motorcycle and had to take the MSF course to get licensed I am curious, How many of you took an MSF course and was/is it required?
Although the course was heavily geared towards motorcycles and manual transmissions I feel like I did learn a bit and even if you ride a 50cc it's a pretty good course.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 16:49:21 GMT -5
Was not required when I took my test in NJ back in the late 70's.
Bill
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Post by gsx600racer on Nov 30, 2016 16:57:22 GMT -5
Not required here(for 50cc)in Connecticut
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Post by Senna1Rossi on Nov 30, 2016 17:06:34 GMT -5
took the advanced MSF... I think the class is structured too much on slow speed motorcycle handling skills, and not on typical street legal speeds. Really not going to learn much because of that... even had an argument with one of the instructors regarding how many fingers to use for proper braking.
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Post by spaz12 on Nov 30, 2016 17:16:00 GMT -5
took the advanced MSF... I think the class is structured too much on slow speed motorcycle handling skills, and not on typical street legal speeds. Really not going to learn much because of that... even had an argument with one of the instructors regarding how many fingers to use for proper braking. You took the one at the college? They're ... um, idiots lol |
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Post by tiny on Nov 30, 2016 17:45:04 GMT -5
No I didn't take a course but here in Ontario(Canada) there are 2 different licences(4 really) 1 is a ML or Motorcycle Limited-speed good for those who just wish to drive a 50cc scooter then there is the M1, M2 and the M(Motorcycle of course) graduated licences for anything with a displacement of greater then 51cc.
So start with the M1(no passenger, Highway or night driving. B.O.A of 0.00%) then you have 90 days to pass road test for your M2(still no passenger but Highway allowed,B.O.A of 0.00%), then five years to pass road test for your full M licence.
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Post by Elektrey on Nov 30, 2016 18:16:41 GMT -5
took the advanced MSF... I think the class is structured too much on slow speed motorcycle handling skills, and not on typical street legal speeds. Really not going to learn much because of that... even had an argument with one of the instructors regarding how many fingers to use for proper braking. yeah I kept getting yelled at for using 3 fingers for braking instead of 4. Their argument was that if I pull the front brake hard it will "crush my finger". Idk lol |
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Post by godfather on Nov 30, 2016 18:36:27 GMT -5
After 35 years of riding I took the Basic MSF course with my son so he could get licensed. It was a great experience! 100% on the written and -1 point on the skills test due to malfunction of the brakes. I stopped just over the line on the panic stop. (after we received our scores and I told the instructors of the issue...and they confirmed my observation then they took that bike out of service to be sent in for repair) Over the following several years, I took the advanced course and the seasoned riders course, both of which were well worth the time.
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Post by imgrubby on Nov 30, 2016 19:05:57 GMT -5
Not required here in Michigan for 50cc but I plan to take the course anyway at somepoint.
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Post by Senna1Rossi on Nov 30, 2016 19:16:07 GMT -5
took the advanced MSF... I think the class is structured too much on slow speed motorcycle handling skills, and not on typical street legal speeds. Really not going to learn much because of that... even had an argument with one of the instructors regarding how many fingers to use for proper braking. You took the one at the college? They're ... um, idiots lol
yes, at the college. and not very informed blokes, if you ask me... heh
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Post by Senna1Rossi on Nov 30, 2016 19:17:28 GMT -5
took the advanced MSF... I think the class is structured too much on slow speed motorcycle handling skills, and not on typical street legal speeds. Really not going to learn much because of that... even had an argument with one of the instructors regarding how many fingers to use for proper braking. yeah I kept getting yelled at for using 3 fingers for braking instead of 4. Their argument was that if I pull the front brake hard it will "crush my finger". Idk lol
LOL. I guess they are used to 1950's cable actuated drum brakes... heh
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Post by eclark5483 on Nov 30, 2016 19:25:11 GMT -5
Not required in Iowa. However if you are 14-15, you are required to take a moped safety course. To obtain a motorcycle license, you must take a written and a skills test. Skills test can be waved if you take the course at one of the colleges. Otherwise, any person 16 or older who has a regular drivers license, can use a scoot.
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Post by Senna1Rossi on Nov 30, 2016 19:28:54 GMT -5
if any of yous youts are actually interested in REAL learning, do yourselves a favor and enroll in a track day riding school (there are several reputable schools depending on your location). it's NOT a racing school, but proper motorcycle (easily converts to scoot riding) riding instructions learning aboot techniques, and motorcycle dynamics. Doesn't matter how long you have been riding scooters or motorcycles, one afternoon worth of track school will transform you into another league in understanding and grasping the intricacies of proper motorcycle riding.
I will guarantee.
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Post by 90GTVert on Nov 30, 2016 21:18:39 GMT -5
In MD you can take a few routes to getting a motorcycle license.
- You can take the MSF course and get a certificate at the end if you complete it. Take that certificate to the MVA and get your license.
- You can take a written test for a permit. Then take a skills test after having your permit at least 2 weeks. Pass the skills test and get your license.
- Take a Fast Track program, which is basically the written and skills test administered all in a day. They are very limited opportunities though, and more difficult than MSF courses to get into.
I went with getting my permit from a written test and then taking the skills test. Failed my skills test the first time before I started because of no DOT sticker on my helmet. Passed it the next day with a labeled helmet.
I spent a lot of time in parking lots over the years practicing slow skills that are needed for tests. I do believe that stuff is good practice and useful day to day. Actually, the one that helps the most is one that they took off of the skills test here. They used to have a long box that you had to take a certain amount of time to go through without touching it's edges. It made you learn to ride very slowly while maintaining control. That comes in handy in traffic. The cone weaves are kinda fun to practice; on a scooter. Can't say I enjoyed the cone weaves on a 600cc sportbike. I may still take my practice cones out again just for fun some night.
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Post by humanshield on Nov 30, 2016 21:46:24 GMT -5
If you survive....there's no education class in the world like the one you will get with the wind in your face, your hands on the grips and your tires on the asphalt. And there's no class offered that can prepare you for every surprise that you will encounter.
But I did do track day on my modified 600 and it will indeed take you to another level.
Same as PL...grandfathered in from having my butt in the saddle since the 70's .
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