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Post by beaverhausen on Jun 22, 2017 22:07:22 GMT -5
Moving the next part of my quest for fire in the appropriate forum subsection...
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Post by AtariGuy on Jun 27, 2017 20:02:40 GMT -5
These scooters are pretty generic in the first place. Take 100 scooters off an assembly line, odds are they will be given dozens of different brand name stickers and shipped around the world as cheap, readily available scooters. Which makes wiring something between easy and difficult. Like it was said in an earlier reply, you can draw up your own wiring diagram. That will give you the most detail and will help you trace later problems easier. Brent made a couple generic "idea" drawings to help make things easier, you can find them in the tech section under electrical. The colors may not match your wires, but at least it gets you an idea what wires you will be drawing out in your own diagram. Link here: 49ccscoot.proboards.com/thread/2556/wiring-diagramsThese show the 2 stroke jog/generic chinese diagrams, but its a great start to helping you trace your own diagrams... |
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Post by ThaiGyro on Jun 28, 2017 2:38:17 GMT -5
Welcome and good luck! You may get quite frustrated with wiring diagrams from China. Not because they aren't correct, but their packaging and source information posted on various web sites often are either generic or as you stated, for a different scoot.
There is a wealth of knowledge here, so you diagram may ring someone's bell, especially if they have s similar scooter.
I have Honda and Yamaha scooters, so not much help, except to say that I have had good success with swapping parts from other Honda's, as I still have no book on my Gyro. It's a movie thing: Coming Soon
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Post by beaverhausen on Jun 29, 2017 2:12:08 GMT -5
Welcome and good luck! You may get quite frustrated with wiring diagrams from China. Not because they aren't correct, but their packaging and source information posted on various web sites often are either generic or as you stated, for a different scoot. There is a wealth of knowledge here, so you diagram may ring someone's bell, especially if they have s similar scooter. I have Honda and Yamaha scooters, so not much help, except to say that I have had good success with swapping parts from other Honda's, as I still have no book on my Gyro. It's a movie thing: Coming Soon Thank you for the kind welcome. I'm determined now to make a wiring diagram for this scooter because I'm 99% sure that there is not one out there. Which really makes me wonder, why not? Did the company that makes these things just not need one? Maybe they had among their employees the person who invented the wiring harness by which all other scooter wiring harnesses are modeled? Either way, I tried drawing my own on a gigantic 8 foot white board... Not ideal. I was looking around the house though, and found some old transparency sheets for an overhead projector... The gears are turning... What I might do, actually, is just use my phone's photo editor app, and modify the closest matching diagram that I can find so that it matches mine, and then go from there. |
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Post by ThaiGyro on Jun 29, 2017 3:25:23 GMT -5
Hey BeavHous...try finding cheap/free software that does wiring in color codes...may be out there. I understand the dilemma. I live in Thailand where I cannot always communicate...especially in technology terms.
The issues with China manufacturing is not knowledge, but translation, often. Many do not know, that the reason for clones, as an example...is less from "stealing" and more from agreements. China builds components/assemblies and such for all Japanese brands, plus Italian and Brit...and Harley.
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Post by beaverhausen on Jun 29, 2017 7:28:36 GMT -5
The issues with China manufacturing is not knowledge, but translation, often. Many do not know, that the reason for clones, as an example...is less from "stealing" and more from agreements. China builds components/assemblies and such for all Japanese brands, plus Italian and Brit...and Harley. I've actually done a bit of research on the whole "clone" subject, since I once tried to sell a phone on eBay that looked like an iPhone 5c, but had an Android operating system. eBay took issue with this and accused me of attempting to sell illegal knockoffs of iPhones. I argued with them for two weeks on this one. The way they see it, if it looks like an iPhone but isn't an iPhone, then it's an illegal clone. I said, "but mine doesn't have an Apple® logo on it, so it's obviously not infringing on anyone's trademarks or whatever." Anyhow. Turns out, we were both kind of right and both kind of wrong. Even if someone wanted to make an iPhone look alike phone for Android, they would either need permission from Apple to use the design, or, they would have to wait out any patents that Apple might have in regards to the phone's exterior makeup. Same goes with motorcycles and scooters. For instance, the HONDA CT-70. Honda stopped production of these in 1991. The patents they held for the designs of these was still good until 2008, I think? Not at all a coincidence that the market has been saturated with ct70 lookalikes ever since 2008. I'm not sure when the patents for the first 50cc scooters made ran out, but I bet if someone were to check and see what year all of the lookalikes started coming out, and then also look into which manufacturers have not come out with any new models in the last 15 years or so, then that would tell them who might be the originator of the wiring designs and who is just copying them, Or maybe they're just using a million wiring harnesses that they acquired when they bought an old building. Either way, idk if I had a point to this or not. I'm rambling. Sorry! Lol |
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Post by AtariGuy on Jun 29, 2017 14:14:30 GMT -5
Or maybe they're just using a million wiring harnesses that they acquired when they bought an old building. The chinese aren't idiots by any means, they can replicate tons of stuff and mass produce it for stupid cheap costs. That includes absorbing liquidated harnesses and repurposing them. Its not that there isn't a wiring diagram out there, its just that the diagram probably belongs to a different scooter model and they just replicated it with harnesses they got from yet another company that ended that product line. That happens in the USA often enough too, we just have to document the crap out of it before we can pass it off to the consumer... Case in point, briggs lawn mower engines are used in dozens of different brands across hundreds of models. Thats why the engine model number looks more like a serial number. And even though its a "typical L-head design" across thousands of model numbers, you generally find service manuals and parts lists for a series of models. So think of chinese scoots as a series of models rather than the specific make model year we're used to. Does that help? |
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Post by AtariGuy on Jun 29, 2017 14:21:49 GMT -5
I gave up saying my scoot is an 06 twist n go venice with a qt1e40qmb engine, its just a retro small frame with a 2 stroke jog motor...
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Post by ThaiGyro on Jun 29, 2017 22:57:26 GMT -5
I think the research is part of the fun... unless you do not find answers.
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Post by beaverhausen on Jul 1, 2017 12:51:34 GMT -5
I too have officially given up on calling my scooter by any specific make or model name lol. I just know it's got 2 wheels and a 4 stroke
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Post by beaverhausen on Jul 1, 2017 12:55:24 GMT -5
I think the research is part of the fun... unless you do not find answers. Well said. |
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Post by AtariGuy on Jul 7, 2017 23:30:42 GMT -5
I too have officially given up on calling my scooter by any specific make or model name lol. I just know it's got 2 wheels and a 4 stroke partsforscooters.com calls it a qmb139 - easiest way to get engine parts and upgrades |
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