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Post by mickey on Jan 24, 2018 11:55:28 GMT -5
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Post by fugaziiv on Jan 24, 2018 12:14:23 GMT -5
These guys continually use our parts descriptions. lol.
Universal Parts is our brand. The fact that they use it is comical. Secondly, they don't have ANY access to Bel-Ray oils, there's no way it's going to come with that. How do I know? We're the only parts distributor in the US that works directly with Bel-Ray. End of story.
They ripped off Scooterworks' look, straight copied our product information and then undercut the market with subpar parts.
Lovely. Quality company there.
To actually answer your question, it takes a bit of fabrication and know how to get a GY6 engine crammed into the frame of a QMB powered bike. If you aren't comfortable with that, it may not be something you will want to undertake.
Matt
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Post by mickey on Jan 24, 2018 12:37:09 GMT -5
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Post by fugaziiv on Jan 24, 2018 12:55:05 GMT -5
Unfortunately we don't sell a pre-assembled 180. GY6 180 engines aren't actually supposed to be shipped into the states without EPA approval... which they don't have. If the engine falls afoul of the EPA, we don't even try to import them because we warehouse ALL of our parts here in the US which requires us to import in bulk. This allows us to verify quality, fitment etc. The EPA won't allow the 180 to be shipped in bulk to the US and that's why that engine isn't actually in the other company's warehouse and instead must ship from China individually. As far as a quality 180, I can't speak to the quality of a GY6store engine. I don't know what parts they are using in that build. Personally, I'd toss a quality Taiwanese +2.5 stroker crank and a 61mm kit into a decent GY6 150 bottom end, for a displacement of about 176cc. Our tech guy has this combo in his TGB and tucked he does a GPS verified 80. That thing just rips. None of these options are as affordable as the Chinese 180 that you listed originally. Matt |
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Post by tortoise2 on Jan 24, 2018 13:02:30 GMT -5
takes a bit of fabrication and know how to get a GY6 engine crammed into the frame of a QMB Include a used SYM HD or RV 200 in your 70mph research. |
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Post by fugaziiv on Jan 24, 2018 13:26:35 GMT -5
tortoise2 - I don't have the patience to watch that video, what's the verdict that he gets to? I noticed that he doesn't fit the exhaust at the end, and I know that's where its easy to run into ground clearance problems using the stock QMB frame mounts due to the fact that QMB engine mounts are on the bottom of the case and GY6 engine mounts are on the top... hence the need to do some fab. Matt
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Post by mickey on Jan 24, 2018 13:34:48 GMT -5
Thank you for all that info. Do you sale the 176cc motor complet ? If so how much would everything be ?
If I did get that 180cc motor. What carb / exhaust would I need for that engine? And do you have a harness that would work ?
With that much power do I need a oil cooler ?
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Post by fugaziiv on Jan 24, 2018 14:01:31 GMT -5
Thank you for all that info. Do you sale the 176cc motor complet ? If so how much would everything be ? If I did get that 180cc motor. What carb / exhaust would I need for that engine? And do you have a harness that would work ? With that much power do I need a oil cooler ? Unfortunately we don't sell modified motors as complete builds. We do sell all of the parts to build this 176, but it is an assemble yourself kind of deal, or if you know someone who builds engines, they could do it too. The TGB uses a 28mm OKO PWK carb and Tom (bike owner) runs an open header on the engine. It's really loud, you could make due with any number of GY6 specific exhausts, such as this one: www.partsforscooters.com/190-36__GY6__Scooter__Performance__PipeJust for the engine itself, the kit would be something like this: 61mm Drop in cyl - no machining! www.partsforscooters.com/169-485-SSP-G-Drop-In-61mm-CylinderMatching head www.partsforscooters.com/169-204_SSP-G_61mm_Cylinder_HeadStroker crank www.partsforscooters.com/2mm_stroker_crank_gy6Performance cam www.partsforscooters.com/169-267-GY6-Camshaft-A8And this is the intake for that PWK www.partsforscooters.com/169-336-Hoca-Intake-ManifoldAlso, you'd need a different throttle cable, and probably add a remote choke option as these don't use the auto choke. we sell all of that stuff too, but I don't wan to overwhelm you. Also, if you did need an donor GY6, we sell those too. Matt |
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Post by mickey on Jan 24, 2018 14:35:05 GMT -5
Thank you for all this.
I’m just seeing all the $$$ adding up. So my last question is what is the big difference between the 150cc and the 180cc for $369 What I will be doing is putting the fat tire on the motor I have now with a new hub because I was told the 50cc hub is not the same as a 150cc. And was thinking being I need a new hub for the wide tire I should do the disc rear brake kit. Let me know what you think. My goal is to have enough power so I can enjoy this and get around with out worrying about power I would like to do 70 mph
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Post by fugaziiv on Jan 24, 2018 16:13:16 GMT -5
Thank you for all this. I’m just seeing all the $$$ adding up. So my last question is what is the big difference between the 150cc and the 180cc for $369 What I will be doing is putting the fat tire on the motor I have now with a new hub because I was told the 50cc hub is not the same as a 150cc. And was thinking being I need a new hub for the wide tire I should do the disc rear brake kit. Let me know what you think. My goal is to have enough power so I can enjoy this and get around with out worrying about power I would like to do 70 mph Yeah, it does add up quick, doesn't it? Well, bottom line here is that a stock GY6 150 isn't really a 70mph engine, and a stock GY6 180 from China may not be either... I don't know what the Chinese built 180s will do honestly. Matt |
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Post by mickey on Jan 24, 2018 17:05:39 GMT -5
Thank you,
On average what could you expect from a 150cc stock vs a 170cc. I know a lot of factors play into it but if the gy6 is built decent do you think it would out perform the 150cc enuf to make a difference.
The other question is if I did get that 180cc motor what would I be looking at In Parts to make this a complete ready to run motor. Can I use a 150 wiring harness ? How much would a carb be ? And then what other parts would I need so I can see what this would be for all the parts. I found a Weld on engine mont made for the maddog so that part I can get if you guys don’t have that. Thanks
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Post by fugaziiv on Jan 24, 2018 17:49:12 GMT -5
Thank you, On average what could you expect from a 150cc stock vs a 170cc. I know a lot of factors play into it but if the gy6 is built decent do you think it would out perform the 150cc enuf to make a difference. The other question is if I did get that 180cc motor what would I be looking at In Parts to make this a complete ready to run motor. Can I use a 150 wiring harness ? How much would a carb be ? And then what other parts would I need so I can see what this would be for all the parts. I found a Weld on engine mont made for the maddog so that part I can get if you guys don’t have that. Thanks That's a tough call. The 150 stock really is like a 50-55mph crusier, and can go a bit faster when pushed. The 176 modded engine will do the 70 that your looking for. I don't know what the 180 from China will do. This being said, I don't think I'd want to spend much time on a Maddog doing 70, but that's just me. For ease of install, I'd probably look to pick up a donor bike, complete with engine. This will also give you a harness that will work with the engine you are moving over. Then at this point decide if you just want to run the GY6 stock, which honestly may be just fine, or modify it to your liking. If you want a full list of parts for modification I can create that for you, but in a nutshell, taking a 150 to 170 with quality parts is going to be about 500 bucks to get started. Or we have a 63mm 180 kit for 550, which includes an oil cooler but not a carb. There will be additional money spent tuning, and the exhaust will be extra as well. However, many people cruise around on a stock GY6 quite happily after all, and replacement parts are cheap and plentiful. Also if you bolt up stock, the donor bike should have all of the additional parts (like carbs, cables) to have a running bike in short order. I say this because I don't know enough about that 180 to know what will or won't work with it, therefore it's tough to make any recommendations of parts for it. You'll probably need that additional engine mount, that's not something that we sell. Matt |
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Post by mickey on Jan 24, 2018 20:38:06 GMT -5
Thank for all that. Being that the 180cc engine is only $100 more then a 150cc makes it very tempting. I really wanted to get this gy6-200cc GY6-B case from www.scrappydogscooters.com/site/mobile?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scrappydogscooters.com%2Fgy6-200_GY6-B_case.html#2578 but the company selling it seems very unreliable and from what I read In Review is keeping me away from the 200cc. But all that said. I think I might try the 180cc and see what happens if I wasted $400 or get lucky with a nice motor. Wores case is I can take the wiring and use it for the 150cc if this dais not pan out. From what I’m seeing the engine monts should be the same as a 150cc. Do you guys sale the disc brake kit with the hub? |
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Post by mickey on Jan 24, 2018 21:22:08 GMT -5
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Post by 90GTVert on Jan 25, 2018 7:04:09 GMT -5
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