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Post by repherence2 on Feb 14, 2020 20:25:45 GMT -5
Looks like it is possibly asbestos clutch pads. |
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Post by rehabkymco on Feb 14, 2020 20:58:13 GMT -5
Looks like it is possibly asbestos clutch pads. Yeah, im not too impressed by this clutch. But I need this scoot as a daily driver. And just using as a stepping stone until I can save the money for either a malossi delta or stage 6 torque control clutch. Although I like the design of the polini for race 3. Only if I can find it in 112mm though |
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Post by repherence2 on Feb 14, 2020 21:11:13 GMT -5
I run the Stage6 torque control. I like it's performance. I have never tried the Malossi Delta. The only other performance clutch i ran was the Polini evo 2 shoe. That was a good clutch but the Stage6 is easier to adjust.
If you run the smaller clutch bell (110mm?), you can run 107mm clutches. 107mm clutches for DIO can be utilized.
**edit** i have a Polini Evo clutch bell but my Stage6 clutch was labed as a DIO when i bought it
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Post by Zino on Feb 15, 2020 10:53:23 GMT -5
I run the malossi delta clutch
It is a nice piece of equipment .
I think it is over kill with all the ways you can dial it in for my sport class build.
With a regular clutch you have 3 different spring tensions .typically they raise clutch engagement 500-1000 rpms per spring
The delta lets me find 3 extra tension points with each spring .
This lets me set the clutch to engage in the pipes powerband not before and be doggy off the line .
The next thing you can do is move the deltas clutch weights so that you have more engagement points with each spring .
So Now you have 9 combinations from each spring.
The coolest thing by dialing in the weights that you can make the clutch engage really snappy for popping wheelies.
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Post by rehabkymco on Feb 15, 2020 11:52:01 GMT -5
I run the malossi delta clutch It is a nice piece of equipment . I think it is over kill with all the ways you can dial it in for my sport class build. With a regular clutch you have 3 different spring tensions .typically they raise clutch engagement 500-1000 rpms per spring The delta lets me find 3 extra tension points with each spring . This lets me set the clutch to engage in the pipes powerband not before and be doggy off the line . The next thing you can do is move the deltas clutch weights so that you have more engagement points with each spring . So Now you have 9 combinations from each spring. The coolest thing by dialing in the weights that you can make the clutch engage really snappy for popping wheelies. Thanks zino, that's the input I'm looking for. Makes me pretty sure I want that clutch. Yea I'm still in a sport/"midrace" area myself but I think that having that much adjustment is best for someone willing to take the time to set it up right. Also I may only be at 6-10hp today but I fully intend to have twice that much soon. How soon depends on work and life. Not sure how much power a stock clutch will hold but I'm sure I'm at the limits of it now. Only time will tell |
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Post by Zino on Feb 15, 2020 12:03:19 GMT -5
As long as you put the time into it it does dial in real close .
You can max out one spring so it over laps with the next spring up for clutch engagement .
It just hits harder.
If you go down this route buy the standard and race spring set ups .
You may not use the race springs but the race weights give you a ton more options and are a notch lighter so they dont hit as hard.
So you end up with 18 options per spring up from 9 when you add in the race weights .
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Post by rehabkymco on Feb 15, 2020 12:17:03 GMT -5
Had already planned on getting the MHR race springs(and any other tuning parts) with the delta but to know this info almost makes it the "ideal" clutch for performance.
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Post by Zino on Feb 15, 2020 12:25:20 GMT -5
I found when setting it up .
The easiest way was to treat it like a standard clutch.
find the closest spring that works .
Put the weights in the farthest out position .
Spring at middle tension position.
Start with lightest color spring run down the road .
If the take off the scoot rolls slow for a few feet then takes off go up to the next spring up in tension and repeat .
If it revs up immediately and you launch without rolling slow .
Keep that spring try going down one tension if it still feels close for take off stay there if not go to the top spring tension and see if you like it better .
Keep the one you like best .
Now we move on to clutch bite this will raise rpm engagement .
Move one notch closer to the post and see if you like it better if so move to the next position repeat till you find the best if you have race weights you would work through those 3 positions the same way.
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Post by rehabkymco on Feb 16, 2020 14:10:11 GMT -5
Switched back to the stock TK carb. Can't get the polini to rev right. But here is the issue now, the stock carb seems to work a bit better but it's still not right. One take off will be strong and pull to 9300, the very next take off will be weak and struggle to get past 7500. Which is similar to how the polini was acting.
Thou as I post this I wonder if the brand new clutch and bell aren't slipping
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Post by rehabkymco on Feb 29, 2020 20:17:23 GMT -5
Ended up having more gearbox issues. Smoked the cheapo bearings. Upside is I didn't damage my 10.15 gearset. But I have decided to fully rebuild the gearbox again. Using SKF high quality bearings, new seals, brand new 13t clutch primary shaft and a Stage 6 15/42 secondary gearset. While I've got everything apart again this time I'm also installing a new wrist pin bearing. And to round off the new "trans" I'm also getting a malossi 97mm faceplate along with a Delta clutch. And the deal with my carb "issues" a 32-40 pilot set and 90° cable piece for my CP21.
I really hope that this round of spending and wrenching allows me to have a properly functioning scoot again. I'm itching to ride and it worsens with each day. Although at this point the only stock China parts left will be the crank and well the cases. And only cause I'm still deciding how far I really wanna go.
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Post by Zino on Feb 29, 2020 20:24:48 GMT -5
Take some pictures as you rebuild so others can see how to rebuild a kymco.
With the parts your going too you will have a sweet build .
You will like the malossi trans set up the clutch takes a little bit to dial in the variator is very easy and adds a couple miles up top and your take off is better.
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Post by rehabkymco on Mar 6, 2020 1:04:09 GMT -5
Slight update. Just ordered parts. Only now I'm not getting the 15/42 secondary due to it being outta stock, nor am I getting the delta clutch yet. But I am getting a Stage 6 MKII big valve reed/intake setup along with a new wrist pin bearing and new gearbox bearings. Going to reuse my current 10.15:1 headset because luckily I haven't damage that when the bearings went. Good thing
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Post by rehabkymco on Mar 6, 2020 1:06:03 GMT -5
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Post by geoffh on Mar 6, 2020 16:14:48 GMT -5
Geoff
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Post by rehabkymco on Mar 9, 2020 4:17:53 GMT -5
 Kinda looks like my boost port isn't opening all the way at BDC. I'm going to try and get it to open by installing base gasket "shims". My only concern is the deck clearance and squish opening up too much. With the cylinder still firmly in the case I have measured deck clearance at 1.55mm. |
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