0weng
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Post by 0weng on Oct 14, 2020 11:04:49 GMT -5
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captincvmn
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Post by captincvmn on Oct 14, 2020 17:25:17 GMT -5
Unless I’m wrong one looks like an alternator and the other ignition timing
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Post by oldgeek on Oct 14, 2020 18:01:09 GMT -5
You get what you pay for. Do you have a revmonster that lives above 10-11K then the MVT is a must. Or are you just looking for a little performance boost for a lower reving sport build, then the Hoca should do fine.  |
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Post by fugaziiv on Oct 15, 2020 8:49:41 GMT -5
You get what you pay for. Do you have a revmonster that lives above 10-11K then the MVT is a must. Or are you just looking for a little performance boost for a lower reving sport build, then the Hoca should do fine. Sort of. Both kits are made for life at high RPMs really. If you're building a sub 11k build, the stock setup is usually fine. The MVT has a coil and additional features that are focused towards water cooled racing builds that the HOCA kit doesn't, The HOCA kit was designed without those features for AC builds. The main point of either kit is the lower rotating mass they offer at high RPMS. Also, you gotta factor in the fancy wooden box that the MVT kit ships in. lol. Seriously though, the build quality on the kits is similar, the MVT simply has more features than the HOCA intended water cooled racing bikes. Matt |
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Post by snaker on Oct 15, 2020 12:41:03 GMT -5
Unless I’m wrong one looks like an alternator and the other ignition timing Neither product is clear about having a lighting coil, unless I missed it. The number of wires on the stators shown suggest so, but who knows. The one mentions "alternator" but is that accurate or is someone talking out their azz? How hard is it for venders to include proper specs? So if the buyer needs electrical beyond the ignition, that would be the first question. |
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Post by fugaziiv on Oct 15, 2020 13:06:50 GMT -5
Unless I’m wrong one looks like an alternator and the other ignition timing Neither product is clear about having a lighting coil, unless I missed it. The number of wires on the stators shown suggest so, but who knows. The one mentions "alternator" but is that accurate or is someone talking out their azz? How hard is it for venders to include proper specs? So if the buyer needs electrical beyond the ignition, that would be the first question. Since I'm the vendor, I'll answer all of your questions. First: They function as a lightweight stock replacement part. Second answer: It's really hard to get every detail that every person will want in every part actually. Think about it. How many ecomm sites do you manage, and with how many SKU's? How many employees do you have running how many Sq/Ft of warehousing space, and operating phones? How much time do you spend running overseas to QC scooter parts, creating purchasing process and managing the day to day operations of a business... and how much information can you post on parts while doing all of the above? And then after all that, can you still find the time to come to a forum or co on social media and try to answer questions? And then you've still gotta clean toilets and mop floors... Matt |
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captincvmn
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Post by captincvmn on Oct 15, 2020 13:17:18 GMT -5
I’m still confused.
Are they both electrical generating devises and simultaneously spark timing apparatus? I am admittedly unfamiliar with the inner workings of these engines but I want to know more.
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Post by geoffh on Oct 15, 2020 14:48:38 GMT -5
There is just one device for generating the electrical power per engine it sends current to the voltage regulator to charge your battery and there is a pick up point for the ignition coil,you need only a stock replacement part for for set up,it,s not likely to solve your gremlin hunt,look for a bad earth or corroded/wire.
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Matt,social media is the dearth of kind heated souls
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Post by fugaziiv on Oct 15, 2020 15:22:33 GMT -5
There is just one device for generating the electrical power per engine it sends current to the voltage regulator to charge your battery and there is a pick up point for the ignition coil,you need only a stock replacement part for for set up,it,s not likely to solve your gremlin hunt,look for a bad earth or corroded/wire. Geoff Matt,social media is the dearth of kind heated souls It's a cesspool. I keep trying, but I don't think it's actually helping anyone unfortunately and only makes me angry. Oh well. Matt |
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snaker
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Post by snaker on Oct 15, 2020 17:39:31 GMT -5
Neither product is clear about having a lighting coil, unless I missed it. The number of wires on the stators shown suggest so, but who knows. The one mentions "alternator" but is that accurate or is someone talking out their azz? How hard is it for venders to include proper specs? So if the buyer needs electrical beyond the ignition, that would be the first question. Since I'm the vendor, I'll answer all of your questions. First: They function as a lightweight stock replacement part. Second answer: It's really hard to get every detail that every person will want in every part actually. Think about it. How many ecomm sites do you manage, and with how many SKU's? How many employees do you have running how many Sq/Ft of warehousing space, and operating phones? How much time do you spend running overseas to QC scooter parts, creating purchasing process and managing the day to day operations of a business... and how much information can you post on parts while doing all of the above? And then after all that, can you still find the time to come to a forum or co on social media and try to answer questions? And then you've still gotta clean toilets and mop floors... Matt I didn't realize you were the vendor of the links, then again should it matter? Nothing on the forum states that your some sort of untouchable golden goose. As a retired business owner I'm aware of the challenges involved. My situation was probably worse, I dealt primarily with commercial customers, and not through websites. I spent time on the phone, whether it brought in a buck or not. I piled up road miles, showing up for appointments where the customer forgot or wasn't available. Company time burned up on estimates and proposals only to be blown off. I dealt with customers who in my opinion had no intention of paying the agreed upon price. They give themselves a discount, enough to rip me off as much as possible, yet not enough to make it worthwhile to waste more time taking legal action. As far as listing reasonable information goes, we're not talking about a tire with a few simple specs. These are aftermarket electronic mod parts, not OEM or even "like OEM". And you being a vendor of this stuff should better than anyone that this stuff is complicated and confusing. I haven't been on your website, but if your website makes it loud and clear that if your customer has issue's with this stuff that you will gladly take it back no questions asked with all shipping cost's on you, and also give them a little something something extra for wasting THEIR time, then I will sing high praise's of your company. |
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Post by fugaziiv on Oct 16, 2020 12:18:41 GMT -5
Since I'm the vendor, I'll answer all of your questions. First: They function as a lightweight stock replacement part. Second answer: It's really hard to get every detail that every person will want in every part actually. Think about it. How many ecomm sites do you manage, and with how many SKU's? How many employees do you have running how many Sq/Ft of warehousing space, and operating phones? How much time do you spend running overseas to QC scooter parts, creating purchasing process and managing the day to day operations of a business... and how much information can you post on parts while doing all of the above? And then after all that, can you still find the time to come to a forum or co on social media and try to answer questions? And then you've still gotta clean toilets and mop floors... Matt I didn't realize you were the vendor of the links, then again should it matter? Nothing on the forum states that your some sort of untouchable golden goose. As a retired business owner I'm aware of the challenges involved. My situation was probably worse, I dealt primarily with commercial customers, and not through websites. I spent time on the phone, whether it brought in a buck or not. I piled up road miles, showing up for appointments where the customer forgot or wasn't available. Company time burned up on estimates and proposals only to be blown off. I dealt with customers who in my opinion had no intention of paying the agreed upon price. They give themselves a discount, enough to rip me off as much as possible, yet not enough to make it worthwhile to waste more time taking legal action. As far as listing reasonable information goes, we're not talking about a tire with a few simple specs. These are aftermarket electronic mod parts, not OEM or even "like OEM". And you being a vendor of this stuff should better than anyone that this stuff is complicated and confusing. I haven't been on your website, but if your website makes it loud and clear that if your customer has issue's with this stuff that you will gladly take it back no questions asked with all shipping cost's on you, and also give them a little something something extra for wasting THEIR time, then I will sing high praise's of your company. Don't worry, I'm not above reproach, nor am I a "Golden Goose". I do take what we do seriously however, and I do take things that I sometimes shouldn't personally because of it. Partsforscooters is actually primarily a wholesale distributor, and the VAST majority of our business is B to B. Everything that you experienced in your business, we do the exact same thing, with the added complexity of Ecomm and international large volume importation. We offer parts on the retail website as a service to the domestic scooter market due to there being a dearth of scooter shops in many places in the US. Here's our return policy, take it for what you will. I don't expect our policy will earn your high praise, but we do stand behind it and we're very open about it as well. www.partsforscooters.com/PFS-Warranty-ReturnsAnyway, when it comes to listing specs, we do the honest best we can. If there's not enough info on the part itself, we have an in house customer service team, and we also keep the online website chat live during our business hours so that all customers have ample opportunity to ask us questions. Every part that's listed on our page is warehoused in our location, so we can put our hands on any part in question... so long as we have it in stock at the time. If the customer asks for a spec that we think needs to go on a part listing, we usually try to add it quickly. Matt |
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snaker
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Post by snaker on Oct 16, 2020 19:15:07 GMT -5
Fugaziiv: Fair enough.
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