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Post by keeway on Jan 31, 2023 16:44:34 GMT -5
Hello guys, i own a little 50cc moped, piaggio ciao. It has contact points and a 6v coil. Current maxes out at 27~V at mid/high rpm. My lights are not really as bright as i would like them to be and i thought about few different ways of getting a dc current in order to use Led head and tail lights.
First method:
Use a chinese 4 pin gy6 regulator/rectifier, my confusion is that the entry of the regulator requires to wires from the coils. This requires maybe to isolate the ground from the coil, solder a wire and get two wires from the 6v coil, instead of 1. Then take the charging red wire and connect it to the Leds. Use the ground from the regulator/frame and connect it to the (-) of the leds.
Second method:
Use a 3 pin regulator from an "MBK 51", it needs a wire from the coil, and to be grounded the frame. Take the regulated currend and pass it through a KBCP5010 bridge rectifier. Take the rectified (+ and -) the (-) isolated from the frame, connect my leds in parallel to them.
I would appreciate feed back, ideas and suggestions.
I saw mods with capacitors, diodes and precise current regulating modules.. but it's very confusing, because other mods neglect these while others insist on them.
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Post by keeway on Jan 31, 2023 16:48:03 GMT -5
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Post by Lucass2T on Feb 1, 2023 10:55:11 GMT -5
How about swapping over an electronic ignition from a Ciao Mix? Those are plug and play.
The more modern ciao's with the 5 spoke cast wheels have electronic ignition with 12v lighting.
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Post by snaker on Feb 1, 2023 11:32:14 GMT -5
Hello guys, i own a little 50cc moped, piaggio ciao. It has contact points and a 6v coil. Current maxes out at 27~V at mid/high rpm. My lights are not really as bright as i would like them to be and i thought about few different ways of getting a dc current in order to use Led head and tail lights. First method: Use a chinese 4 pin gy6 regulator/rectifier, my confusion is that the entry of the regulator requires to wires from the coils. This requires maybe to isolate the ground from the coil, solder a wire and get two wires from the 6v coil, instead of 1. Then take the charging red wire and connect it to the Leds. Use the ground from the regulator/frame and connect it to the (-) of the leds. Second method: Use a 3 pin regulator from an "MBK 51", it needs a wire from the coil, and to be grounded the frame. Take the regulated currend and pass it through a KBCP5010 bridge rectifier. Take the rectified (+ and -) the (-) isolated from the frame, connect my leds in parallel to them. I would appreciate feed back, ideas and suggestions. I saw mods with capacitors, diodes and precise current regulating modules.. but it's very confusing, because other mods neglect these while others insist on them. I think Lucass is on to something. I could spend a week on this and likely figure something out. No way could I explain it all to you here in any understandable way. A 6 volt system and points says ancient and no modern scooter components will simply plug in. And a 6v dc system also means a 6v battery. 27 volt peak sounds as if it could handle running a 12v system, but the important part would be the voltage generated at idle/low speed. Most older lighting systems are barely adequate at road speeds and inadequate at idle speeds. If it dropped below the 15+ needed to get regulated and rectified 12v, then you end up with a run down battery all the time. These older systems are typically weak and lucky to make 75 watts. Newer systems are doing 120-200 watts or more. So really, your options will likely be to get a modernized ignition and live with the little lighting system or gut the whole thing and basically start the electrics all over.
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Post by keeway on Feb 1, 2023 13:03:00 GMT -5
How about swapping over an electronic ignition from a Ciao Mix? Those are plug and play. The more modern ciao's with the 5 spoke cast wheels have electronic ignition with 12v lighting. Unfortunately a whole engine block has to be swapped, or at least, the left half of the case. I already have a spare engine with an electronic ignition, but they have a very heavy flywheel,which makes the engine much less responsive to the throttle and slower to pick up rpm.
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Post by keeway on Feb 1, 2023 13:11:41 GMT -5
In this case, where the black arrow points: can i connect the engine/frame ground instead? The coil on the moped, has one side soldered to the "ground", unlike in this system. Can i cancel the battery, feed the leds from the "out+12v and out -12v" of the regulator?
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Post by keeway on Feb 1, 2023 13:15:42 GMT -5
How about swapping over an electronic ignition from a Ciao Mix? Those are plug and play. The more modern ciao's with the 5 spoke cast wheels have electronic ignition with 12v lighting. Unfortunately a whole engine block has to be swapped, or at least, the left half of the case. I already have a spare engine with an electronic ignition, but they have a very heavy flywheel,which makes the engine much less responsive to the throttle and slower to pick up rpm. No matter the outcome, the leds woulsne much brighter and safer to use. The stock lights are unusable at low speed like you said. I am not satisfied with them.
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Post by iskra on Feb 1, 2023 14:33:52 GMT -5
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