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Post by hippo008 on Oct 6, 2022 20:00:03 GMT -5
You keep a whole M18 Fuel Impact Driver under the seat? That's hard-core man.
I've considered one of the M12 Fuel 3/8 stubby impacts because they are much smaller than the full size driver but I worry about having a paperweight after the battery dies. Makes me think I need to build a tool kit.
Open up that toolkit, give us a tour.
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Post by ryan_ott on Oct 6, 2022 21:46:42 GMT -5
Makes pulling the cvt cover roadside a quick task.
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Post by aeroxbud on Oct 7, 2022 4:21:07 GMT -5
You keep a whole M18 Fuel Impact Driver under the seat? That's hard-core man. I've considered one of the M12 Fuel 3/8 stubby impacts because they are much smaller than the full size driver but I worry about having a paperweight after the battery dies. Makes me think I need to build a tool kit. Open up that toolkit, give us a tour. Brent has this, but possibly updated it now. 49ccscoot.proboards.com/thread/1485?page=1 |
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Post by 90GTVert on Oct 7, 2022 6:36:38 GMT -5
You keep a whole M18 Fuel Impact Driver under the seat? That's hard-core man. I've considered one of the M12 Fuel 3/8 stubby impacts because they are much smaller than the full size driver but I worry about having a paperweight after the battery dies. Makes me think I need to build a tool kit. Open up that toolkit, give us a tour. I’ve just starting carrying the impact driver and it won’t be in there every time. My seat doesn’t lock so I won’t bring it if it will be parked anywhere without me near the scoot. I’m sure I’ll forget to put it under the seat too since it’s used a lot in the garage. Really nice tool and the 5Ah battery lasts a long time. It’s not super strong, but I did take the wheel off with it once just to see if it could. That’s about it’s limit I think. I don’t have the sockets for removing a wheel in the kit but I may add that stuff. Main updates since the first kit are : - Adapters and bits for the impact driver. - New tire pump. - Tire Plugger instead of traditional plug kit. - I don’t bother with jumper cables anymore. - Lineman’s pliers replace a few sets of pliers. Saves a little space and weight. - I don’t carry duct tape now. Could be good to have, but it takes up space and I never had to use it when I carried it. - Updated locking tools for the Piaggio CVT. A lot of it is prob pointless for most scenarios, but you never know and when I do go to the swamps or somewhere more remote I like the idea of having a little better chance of fixing some oddball issue. The main penalty is weight. It’s one of those things where I can think of plenty more to carry, but I don’t want to tow the whole toolbox.   |
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Post by ryan_ott on Oct 8, 2022 20:05:55 GMT -5
 Brent is that your puddle of shame? |
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Post by hippo008 on Oct 8, 2022 20:12:09 GMT -5
I'd love to bring the dio down to Ocean City to do some scooting! It would be a lot of fun to finally put faces to names.
I doubt the dio will keep up with an RC1 but she's a fighter!
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Post by 90GTVert on Oct 9, 2022 0:13:38 GMT -5
Brent is that your puddle of shame? The story behind this... So, it's cold. I think it was in the 50s or at least close when Ryan and I got to OC. Closer to 40s when we left. Neither scoot ran right on lap 1 around the beach. Ryan's was bogging for a few seconds before it would go. Mine sounded lean at times when I got into it and sometimes wanted to stumble when I revved it from a stop. We both tried idle mixture adjustments (neither of us had jets) when we stopped between lap 1 and 2. Ryan's still acted about the same. Mine got really bad, like it was loading up and tough to clear out. Total opposite from a bit of mix screw turning. Maybe 2 turns out, I think more like 1.5. I couldn't go more because I was afraid the screw was too loose. We stopped and I did a quick random adjustment, moving it back in some and mine ran pretty well for the rest of lap 2. Ryan's didn't really change with quick adjustments during the stop again. I was being more timid than normal, because after nearly crashing at bike week I was thinking about having Ryan right beside me in the lane when taking off and not wanting to wreck both of us. Didn't get the front up too much. My fingers were numb on my throttle hand most of the night. I was progressing back to usual a bit more, and I'm confident that I would have been back to 100% jackass for lap 3. Unfortunately, lap 3 never happened. Ryan was standing next to the scoots before we were ready to roll out for the third lap, which probably was going to be the last. He points out this puddle and T2 is pouring fuel out. It was dark and initially we didn't know from where. I turned the shutoff off and looked it over. Couldn't tell. I turned the shutoff back on and it didn't leak. Then, after being on for maybe 30 seconds, gas started pouring out of the overflow. I thought it must have a stuck float. I grabbed a screwdriver and tapped the bowl and it stopped. Cool. I tapped it a couple more times and it started. I tapped it again to stop it. Tapped it again and it started. Odd. I've had floats stick in the past and tapped them to free them up, but I've never seen them go back and forth. It only seemed to want to leak when leaned over on the stand. I took the bowl off and raised the float height. I didn't want to get into town and then have it pour out fuel again. I eventually got it to fire up and it ran OK on the choke. I shut the choke off and it was fine for maybe 10-30 seconds. Then it would slowly lose RPM and die. I fired it up multiple times and it kept doing the same thing. Mix adjustments and idle speed adjustments wouldn't fix it. I pulled the bowl off again and changed float height back to roughly near where it was before I changed it. Fired it up and it did the same thing. It seems like it loses fuel or is generally low on fuel. We both agreed that there was really nothing that I was going to do to fix it there. I said I could find a parts store, get carb cleaner, try to clean it out. The problem is, it may or may not work and Ryan was going back to PA tonight so we didn't want to be in OC really late and it could all be time and effort for nothing anyway. We loaded back up and went back to my house. I fired it up in the driveway and it still ran like crap. I figured with my luck it would run fine miraculously once home, but no. Sucks. I don't think there's anything that I could have done to prevent it. As of now, I don't know why it suddenly did this. Thanks to Ryan for coming down. I always enjoy hanging out on the ride to/from the show. Wish I could have made that last lap. On the bright side, the police were very present and we didn't manage to get pulled over even with moto-cops sneaking up behind us in the bus lane, me hopping the wheel up with them around or Ryan speeding at a cop watching traffic in a turn lane and then braking like it never happened. I'm now 0 for 2 at car shows with the RC-One. In May, the vari nut came loose at the end of our last lap. Fixed. Made it back to the truck. Now the carb. I'd love to bring the dio down to Ocean City to do some scooting! It would be a lot of fun to finally put faces to names. I doubt the dio will keep up with an RC1 but she's a fighter! Come on out. You can just catch up when I breakdown. 😥 |
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Post by hippo008 on Oct 9, 2022 18:28:24 GMT -5
I'm wondering if you're having carb troubles. Maybe you could try something like a SC2 or more traditional PWK.
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Post by 808ministroke on Oct 10, 2022 3:52:29 GMT -5
And I side with reference on that last point he made you bring way more to way more people but way more people and you actually make a difference in those people's lives where that dude just makes a difference in their greed greed or dreams, And I love your ocean's car show videos, Honestly glad that 6 people left the forum because those are probably 6 people that shouldn't have been here in the 1st place lol just kidding everyone's invited.
3dit: On 2nd thought, If you don't dream about either being or watching A scooter pulling away from a Harley Then we don't take too kindly to your type round here..
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Hell we don't take too kindly to folks who don't take too kindly round here...
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Post by 90GTVert on Oct 10, 2022 15:13:47 GMT -5
I started the scooter a few more times and watched it run fine on choke, then OK briefly off choke and then dropping RPM and dying. Oulled the carb off and cleaned it. There was a sliver of brass on the pilot jet, still attached where a screwdriver goes. Didn't appear to be blocking anything. Otherwise, seemed fine.
Then I weighed the floats, not expecting anything, but it's quick enough. They are near 3.8g again... which is where the last set was when I found that I couldn't change fuel level in the bowl.
I'm not sure that's the issue with it running, but it seems likely to be why it decided to pour fuel out. These floats aren't very old. Are they junk? Is it something with local fuel?
The bowl area of the round slide PHBH 28 looked very similar to the VHST when I used it. It has a more traditional float setup where they are attached to the arm. I was curious if that will swap over. It will... but the float seat/fuel inlet is a 200 vs the VHST's 320. I have to use the 200 because it sits lower and that's needed for the other float style. I'm only using a 142 main jet and probably won't go over that by a lot, but I'm not sure if it's a good idea to use that. Not sure if it matters. Maybe it's the same kind of plastic as the others and will fail before too long. I've never had it on a scoot for very long.
I should probably verify that the VHST floats are a problem with fuel level checks and see if the scoot runs OK after a cleaning or not before I worry about alternatives.
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Post by captincvmn on Oct 10, 2022 16:29:19 GMT -5
I wish there was a nice simple fuel injection set up on a standalone for single cylinder engines. I watch the drag racing guys with their LS set ups and the adjustability of the fuel injection with mapping versus time. It’s very controllable provided you have enough sensors. It all requires electric which in short supply on a scooter. It would sure be nice though to have delicate and precise adjustability.
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Post by 190mech on Oct 10, 2022 17:48:37 GMT -5
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Post by hippo008 on Oct 10, 2022 19:33:06 GMT -5
I'm not sure this is true. KTM has been using their Transfer Port Injection technology on their 2T bikes for a while now with great success. Sure it's not EFI in the traditional direct-injection sense but TPI is electronically managed. Ecotrons has advertised 2T fuel injection kits for a while now, some with good documentation and others not so much. I'm not saying that's a reasonable direction for Brent to go I'm just saying the technology does exist and could be applied. |
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Post by hippo008 on Oct 10, 2022 19:34:03 GMT -5
I started the scooter a few more times and watched it run fine on choke, then OK briefly off choke and then dropping RPM and dying. Oulled the carb off and cleaned it. There was a sliver of brass on the pilot jet, still attached where a screwdriver goes. Didn't appear to be blocking anything. Otherwise, seemed fine. Then I weighed the floats, not expecting anything, but it's quick enough. They are near 3.8g again... which is where the last set was when I found that I couldn't change fuel level in the bowl. I'm not sure that's the issue with it running, but it seems likely to be why it decided to pour fuel out. These floats aren't very old. Are they junk? Is it something with local fuel? The bowl area of the round slide PHBH 28 looked very similar to the VHST when I used it. It has a more traditional float setup where they are attached to the arm. I was curious if that will swap over. It will... but the float seat/fuel inlet is a 200 vs the VHST's 320. I have to use the 200 because it sits lower and that's needed for the other float style. I'm only using a 142 main jet and probably won't go over that by a lot, but I'm not sure if it's a good idea to use that. Not sure if it matters. Maybe it's the same kind of plastic as the others and will fail before too long. I've never had it on a scoot for very long. I should probably verify that the VHST floats are a problem with fuel level checks and see if the scoot runs OK after a cleaning or not before I worry about alternatives. Maybe you should try a smartcarb. If you want to borrow my 28SC2 for some testing you're welcome to try. |
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Post by 90GTVert on Oct 10, 2022 23:05:10 GMT -5
Maybe you should try a smartcarb. If you want to borrow my 28SC2 for some testing you're welcome to try. That's a generous offer that is appreciated. For now, I'm already on the s___ list of one fancy carb company. Hate to add another to the fan club. I may wind up with the Lectron on here. Allegedly it may have struggled due to engine size and flow. It probably needs that crutch of a 2nd power jet for midrange. I don't have any great complaints about the current carb, aside from the float issues. |
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