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Post by ʇwiƨtɘdburnout on Mar 24, 2013 17:33:53 GMT -5
I just found this site and oooooooooh Nelly!!!! I don't know what the deal is yet with buying from here, dealers license etc.. but wow! Everything any anything! These guys have 2T and 4T engines I have NEVER seen in my life! and they have tons! Many strange new engines, what a trip into the Twilight Zone! Anyone here trying like crazy to find some part? I'll bet ya you will find it here and it 10 different forms! www.made-in-china.com/ |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2013 18:12:22 GMT -5
The majority of sellers who have a posting on that site want to sell a full 40'container at once. Looked into parts from sellers there and they wanna sell big bulk orders.
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Post by ʇwiƨtɘdburnout on Mar 24, 2013 18:44:37 GMT -5
Well lets all get a huge order going and save some cash. Why not have a couple back ups of everything, lol! Lets go totally Sam's Club mentality with our scoots. I will look into to this further, most likely sign up, and then get back to you guys. If worst comes to worse I can get all the rare stuff and regular parts drop shipped to you guys, for just a little over cost.  |
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Post by jharwood on Apr 10, 2013 17:49:24 GMT -5
Well lets all get a huge order going and save some cash. Why not have a couple back ups of everything, lol! Lets go totally Sam's Club mentality with our scoots. I will look into to this further, most likely sign up, and then get back to you guys. If worst comes to worse I can get all the rare stuff and regular parts drop shipped to you guys, for just a little over cost. I LIKE IT! |
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Post by aznatama on Apr 14, 2013 3:27:19 GMT -5
min order, 500 BBKs... how you going to sell 500 BBKs? I guess if it costs like $10/ea, and you sell for $50, you can break even after selling 100BBKs, but still, that's a lot.
Not sure if it'll be worth the effort.
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Post by prodigit on Apr 14, 2013 11:09:17 GMT -5
It's for dealers; not end users.
A site much like Alibaba.
On Alibaba, they sell 250cc motorcycles for $350 a piece, diesel motorcycles for $420 a piece; but:
1- You can't return the bad ones, unless you have enough to ship em back in a container (usually costs ~$1000 per container)
2- You have to additionally pay for import taxes, and shipping cost, as well as insurance (every now and then, goods get damaged, or a ship sinks, and is on the news with these things; but for the most part, they won't sink)
3- Minimum purchase usually is ~$30k.
4- Could be a rip off company, that steals your money, and sends nothing.
5- No quality control. After you received the items you'll have to PDI every last one of the items that arrived. Some bad items make good for parts, while others you'll never get rid of.
6- you'll have to sell your bikes with taxes, so basically you pay the gov't twice on these things, quadruple if you count shipping too.
7- Sometimes they come without (a valid) title or registration; or title is in Chinese.
Lots of complications to go through before making such a purchase.
The temptation once was there on the old forum, to have 20 forum members or so, each put $1000 in a pot, and get 3 to 4 scooters for that price; but no one trusts someone else enough to send him $1000 (as you need a central address for shipping the items to, and a warehouse for storing, and additional shipping fees (which usually are $129 per scooter crate))...
And if the guy doesn't have enough bidders, he can't do the purchase.
Would be amazing, if the forum admins would be able to organize something like this, and every forum member who wants, pays a sum. The more people add, the more bikes can be bought (eg: for $30k you get 100 bikes; for $60k you get 250 instead of 200)...
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Post by ʇwiƨtɘdburnout on Apr 15, 2013 1:11:11 GMT -5
Hmmm, I don't really know about shipping fees or return fees, crates, warehouses etc... But! 30k? No, I know a lot of companies will sell sample units to perspective buyers. Even just one.  And you always have to pay tax and shipping, regardless. I have never seen, or come across a Fake or Chinese MCO before. I am pretty sure I can build a case against someone who doesn't want to reimburse my money if my delivery ends up as an anchor at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean. Here is the facts... 1) I am protected under U.C.C. 2) I have had many drop shipments delivered straight to my door from china 3) No Chinese person, who does not have a death wish, would ever dream of ripping you off, China is the safest to country and the largest exporter in the world to deal with. See... They have these things over there, they are called "Death van's" (More like a bus). If you commit a crime like that? First It will pull up to your house, then your trial is held right in your front yard via remote TV with a judge (you always lose) and then you step into the van to be killed and have all of your organs ripped out of your body. So never worry about China ripping you off. Remember the lead toys years ago from China? Yeah, the CEO of that company killed himself cause he knew the van was coming. |
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Post by aznatama on Apr 15, 2013 11:14:03 GMT -5
For them to send you a sample usually requires you to pay for it, which is then deducted from total bill if you place an order. These samples are usually not finished or usable. The MOQ is usually listed on the side itself.
Import duties for personal use are usually not levies, but a whole container or large shipment, you'l get charged import duties, freight forwarding fees, etc. you also have to deal with LOC's, wire fees, local freight forwarder fees, etc. I'd never blindly place an order w/ any manufacturer w/o personally going over there to inspect the place. It's wholly possible that some of these people are middlemen.
China isn't covered by the UCC, you'd be using the CISG for international sales. Also, you'd need to bring the suit over in China, so good luck with that.
The fact that you've had drop shipments doesn't mean these large factories want to sell such small quantities. shipping by air is extremely expensive for heavier parts, and you can ship LCL, but that's not really worth it. Might as well get a 20; container which will be about $1,500.
Have you every been to China? On my multiple business trips to the factories and manufacturing sites in China, I can assure you that there's a reason why China has a reputation for shitty quality and scams. There's a saying that the best part you're going to get is the sample. crap quality = ripoff to me.
All in all, it's not worth it for a small order unless you have all the logistics set up for it such as storage space, dealer licenses, etc.
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Post by ʇwiƨtɘdburnout on Apr 15, 2013 11:40:53 GMT -5
First of all the U.C.C. covers every country in the world! Where you get your information is amazing to me!
I owned an import export business for years! (Personal security/Home defense) in the 1980's and 90's!
I ALWAYS get samples because I have a TAX ID and I'm not some schmuck looking for a heavily discounted product sample.
You have been to China numerous times huh? Looool, okie dokie then!
I'm 41 years old and I'm a lawyer! (Not an attorney yet, there is a difference)
I have NEVER had a problem ordering ANYTHING from China with no middle man!
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Post by 90GTVert on Apr 15, 2013 12:21:52 GMT -5
Go to Profile, Edit Profile, Privacy, and at the bottom there is a place to enter a username to block interactions.
To be fair, read back over your comments here and aznatama's. It seems to me that he is stating opinions or info in a reasonable manner. Your last post then insinuates he's lying and has no idea what he's doing and tells him to "stfu". You'd be just as well off to leave if you plan to continue to respond in this manner when people give input that you disagree with.
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Post by ʇwiƨtɘdburnout on Apr 15, 2013 13:59:48 GMT -5
I just read back over it to be "fair". I will not state my reassessment here in detail out of respect of this being a public forum.
Thank you for the block button, I wish I would have known about this feature from the first time I had a problem with someone. So...No, I will "NOT" continue to respond in a angered manner since I have found this new gem of a feature called the block button, No reason to anymore. If I have that much of a problem with someone in the future I will block them instead of lashing out verbally.
I apologize once again for my "public" outbursts. And have modified and retracted some of my previous statements.
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Post by aznatama on Apr 15, 2013 16:10:02 GMT -5
Twisted,
I really have no idea why you're always do hostile when I point out conflicting points of view, or question something you say. I question things because I either have different info, opposite experiences, or just want to know the reason behind what you said.
If you're already blocking me, then it doesn't matter, but for anyone who's reading this and considering it, I feel I should at least give some background of where my knowledge comes from.
1. UCC is US law, and not enforced overseas. The only way it would apply is if it's stipulated in the sales contract. However, the CISG is always applicable between contracting member states, of which the US and China are.
2. I partly own an import/export company in the automotive industry. We participate in SEMA every year, as well as trade shows in Taiwan and China. We import by the container, and also have distributors worldwide. The parts we deal in range from performance to aesthetic parts, some weighing very little, to some weighing over 60lbs per boxed unit. I think the automotive aftermarket industry is pretty close to motorcycle aftermarket industry. I also have the resources and logistics to take on a venture such as this if someone is interested in funding/managing it. Maybe not a 40' container full, but a 20' is workable.
3. I never doubted that you ALWAYS get samples. For heavier/more costly samples, they usually will charge you for them unless you already have a working relationship with the manufacturer.
4. I flew overseas multiple times per year to deal with QC issues and to inspect prospective manufacturers for our products. Going down rural dirt roads to the factories and drinking all night w/ the owners while hitting up karaoke bars. Although this was about 3 years ago, my business partner still travels about 3-4 times a year now, and it's still the same. Not sure what's so funny about this.
I've also had major QC issues with parts not fitting the same as the sample, or being of lesser build quality than promised. They were usually fixed by he manufacturer, but not after much headache and customer backlash. Both major issues to consider especially if you have to ship the items back on your own dime.
Seriously though, if anyone is really interested in pursuing this venture, I'd advise them to do your due diligence. There's a lot of things to consider.
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Post by prodigit on Apr 15, 2013 19:27:47 GMT -5
I also have had negative experiences with chinese businesses, and they stayed in business over corruption, so a van to rip out guts? No, that's definitely not true.
There are also good companies, but most of them are not, one way or the other.
Their products are always sub standard, and if they finally make a good product, they cut down cost on it, to make it crappy again, and break down. A lot of them do.
I didn't say that all companies require you a minimum batch of 100 scooters, but most do.
Some require 300 scoots minimum.
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Post by ʇwiƨtɘdburnout on Apr 15, 2013 22:19:18 GMT -5
a van to rip out guts? No, that's definitely not true. China has been harvesting organs for a long time, and most heavily since the 50's. Here is a little nugget I managed to dig up for you. I am amazed I even found one. But hey, what does CNN know anyway. Enjoy |
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Post by ʇwiƨtɘdburnout on Apr 15, 2013 22:49:39 GMT -5
I didn't say that all companies require you a minimum batch of 100 scooters, but most do. Some require 300 scoots minimum. They do? Attachments:
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