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Post by niz76 on May 24, 2016 21:31:48 GMT -5
Well I didn't get the 'Buck Ten' Rattler, but it could still possibly happen... In the meantime I picked up this cheapy China scoot- a 4t 150cc Tank Sports Viaggio. The guy I bought it from was a real nice fella and as the ad states, got kinda screwed over by the seller he bought it from. He doesn't work on scoots so he had to pay a shop to do some work for him just to get it running. I'm not sure it's even worth owning a Chickety China scoot if you don't do your own work?? He happily accepted my offer of $200 (dangit, coulda offered a little less) and handed over the key and title.  The scoot does start and run- I didn't even bother taking it for a test ride- but it has some issues. Mostly little nickel-and-dime issues that you wouldn't want to have to pay a shop to take care of. Here's the invoice he included with the scoot. I had to chuckle when I saw what the suggestion for this scoot was; "Sell it as long as it runs" hehe. Hope I don't uncover any real nightmares under the hood!  Like I said, it has some issues. Don't they all? That's why they're so cheap right?!       Not so sure how I feel about the starter button that installed down under the seat there. Yeah the Professional shop did that. Way to go Seminole Scooters!  |
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Post by niz76 on May 25, 2016 20:22:37 GMT -5
Well the first ride on this scoot didn't last very long. It stalled out at the end of the driveway and the crappy battery doesn't hold a charge for long so I just pushed it back into the garage and started taking it apart. I spy a scooter killer filter! I wonder if they tuned the carb after installing this? Probably the main reason this scoot doesn't run right!  |
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Post by niz76 on May 30, 2016 18:52:46 GMT -5
So I've been home all weekend with the little one while momma and sissy went to the Country 500 concert in Daytona with grandma. Three generations of ladies gettin' down in a 3 day long concert! They're home now so I took a little time to play with this 150. I was having issues keeping the thing running. It'd go for a short distance and just stall. I've dickered with the carb tune and finally re-routed the vac lines, installed new clear fuel lines and filter, and adjusted the float twice and now she runs good! I checked the valve lash while I was in there and it was good at around .004" for both. It was recently serviced at a professional shop so I figured the valves should be adjusted about right. I'm pretty sure the stalling out issue the PO was having was related to the float adjustment. I originally adjusted the floats to be level with the carb base but it didn't seem to letting enough fuel so I tweaked it a bit so the float was just barely sagging as seen upside down and that seemed to do the trick. This is only the 2nd 150cc I've ever flipped or even ridden. This one runs much stronger than the first one I flipped. I'll get a good GPS reading when I take her out and stretch her legs but just guessing from my experience with speeds I think it's going around 50mph from one end of my 'hood to the other. Now I just need to pop open this CVT cover and see what's up with the kickstart as it really seems to skip a lot when kicking it. It also has some unhealthy noises coming from the front of the CVT but I think that may just be the rollers rattling around at idle... Some other good news- I did my usual when I get a weak battery in one of these scoots and topped off each cell with water. This one seems to have worked out as the battery is holding a pretty good charge and has no problem cranking and starting the engine up ten times in a row. Sweet! That little trick seems to have about a 50/50 success ratio so far... |
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Post by tiny on May 30, 2016 21:57:46 GMT -5
The Kick Pinion(what Yamaha calls it) for the kick starter might have wearing/worn out. I need to replace it on my Vino as if I want to kick it over as appose to using the starter it skips every so often. So that's my geuss
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Post by niz76 on Jun 1, 2016 19:22:03 GMT -5
The Kick Pinion(what Yamaha calls it) for the kick starter might have wearing/worn out. I need to replace it on my Vino as if I want to kick it over as appose to using the starter it skips every so often. So that's my geuss Thanks Tiny I'll def check that out. There sure is a lot of racket coming from under the CVT cover! This flip is moving slowly as I really haven't had much time to wrench on it, but I did just go for a spin around the neighborhood with the GPS app on and got 48mph. Has decent pull for a 4 poke but yeah, even at 150cc my 96cc 2t blows it out of the water! |
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Post by niz76 on Jun 1, 2016 19:46:52 GMT -5
Here's a quick vid...
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Post by spaz12 on Jun 1, 2016 21:22:57 GMT -5
The bearings in the torque converter? Can't you start that motor with the cover off?
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Post by tiny on Jun 2, 2016 3:42:19 GMT -5
Bottom end bearing going? But something is definitly lose.
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Post by tiny on Jun 2, 2016 3:44:49 GMT -5
Try disabling the kick starter. Maybe the pinion is making contact with the castle nut by nu retracting all the way.
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Post by niz76 on Jun 5, 2016 15:52:03 GMT -5
I've been fiddling with this flip scoot today. I took the variator off and also greased up the kickstart components real nice. Everything seems to be fine under the CVT cover and the scoot still makes the noises while running with no vari installed. I'm inclined to think that maybe it's the electric start clutch and components making the noise? idk.
I watched a few vids about the GY6 150cc and apparently the e-start stuff is located on the other side of the engine under the stator? I didn't know that! I'm not sure I want to dig that deep into as I didn't really plan on spending a huge amount of time on this flip considering I probably won't sell it for a premium price anyway...
I did however, remove the rest of the front plastics and prepare myself for an intense electrical session as I want to get all the controls up front working and eliminate that ridiculous "starter button" that the shop installed below the seat. It basically just jumps the starter relay the same way you would with a screw driver/piece of metal. I started by probing around at the key switch and it's obvious there's no power coming to the front of the scooter from the battery. None of the controls up front have worked btw. Well, the good news is that it wasn't an intense electrical session! The fused connection from the battery was simply on the wrong terminal. DUH! I hooked it up to the + terminal and voila! All the controls/blinkers/horn/start button work now!
I'm pretty shocked that a professional scooter shop couldn't figure that out?? They charged the customer good $$ and sent him on his way with a rigged up start button and no working controls?? SMH seriously!
Another bit of good news- a little bonus- there was and extra CDI in the front storage compartment. Sweet!
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Post by 90GTVert on Jun 5, 2016 16:10:50 GMT -5
You'd need to remove the exhaust, shroud, fan, flywheel, stator, and then the outer case half to get to the starter clutch.  Don't forget a gasket kit if you do decide to replace it. I've always coated mine with a little Ultra Black RTV just to be safe. May work fine without it. You also need a special tool for the nut holding the clutch, or cut an old socket to make one. The tools are on eBay for under $20 IIRC or PFS sells them. I'd think eliminating that kind of noise would make the sale way easier and a little more profitable, but you are the master of flips. |
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Post by niz76 on Jun 5, 2016 16:31:11 GMT -5
Yeah that's what I figured- kind of a pain to get to and requires some tools that I don't have for a 150cc. Dang.
...I just watched that video again... that noise! I'm gonna at least have to see how far I can dig in with the tools I have on hand. Dang didn't want to have to spend the time and $$ on it but I suppose having the 150cc tools would be a good investment... Hmm.
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Post by 90GTVert on Jun 5, 2016 21:18:03 GMT -5
Scratch the cutting your own tool comment I made earlier. It wouldn't be worth it. I wasn't thinking about how long the socket would need to be for this. By the time you find a socket deep enough to work (only thing in my toolbox that length are impact sockets) you'll have most of the money to just buy the tool. www.ebay.com/itm/like/172133114834?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true |
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Post by niz76 on Jun 5, 2016 21:32:39 GMT -5
Scratch the cutting your own tool comment I made earlier. It wouldn't be worth it. I wasn't thinking about how long the socket would need to be for this. By the time you find a socket deep enough to work (only thing in my toolbox that length are impact sockets) you'll have most of the money to just buy the tool. www.ebay.com/itm/like/172133114834?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=trueThanks for the link Brent! I went ahead and ordered them. |
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Post by 90GTVert on Jun 6, 2016 7:55:49 GMT -5
Prob should have mentioned it earlier, but the GY6 150 uses the same flywheel puller as the Minarelli. I just posted the link because it was $4-5 cheaper than the clutch nut tool on it's own, so if you want to get started before the tools show up, you can get it down all the way to that nut with what you have around.
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