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Post by gsx600racer on Jan 4, 2017 2:33:01 GMT -5
I think years ago the Honda Trail series(50, 70) is about as close to a scooter/off road bike design. Like scooters it had a single tube front to rear frame, but it was over the top vs down below. The 90 & 110cc were more moped looking with the single front to rear single tube frame. The 70cc and up had turn signals and all had head/brake lights so I guess they could be registered and used on and off road. All 4 strokes with 3/4 speed auto clutch gear boxes. Honda Trail 50 Honda Trail 70
Honda Trail 90
Honda Trail 110 I feel a double rear swing-arm design vs the scooter's all in one engine/trans single arm design is better to take the off road abuse. I guess its possible to mod a scooter for off road but there is a point were you just get a Dual-Sport or Dual-Purpose bike more suited for the application.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 10:40:19 GMT -5
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Post by Senna1Rossi on Jan 4, 2017 11:44:17 GMT -5
Whoa! what scoot is that?? me likes
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Post by Senna1Rossi on Jan 4, 2017 11:48:41 GMT -5
Lack of an upper triple tree to support the forks would not go well in rough riding,,a high pipe would be needed too which would need to be fastened to the engine/cvt and not the frame,,regearing would be costly compared to a simple front sprocket change.Spagetti strength frame as humanshield spoke of too,,
haha, that's just my point. manus could design an off road specific scoots from ground up. I'm just curious why it never caught on, so the major manus DO do a proper design. I mean, they re-engineered that Vespa to do the Dakar race in Africa, and I don't think they broke in half... heh
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Post by Senna1Rossi on Jan 4, 2017 11:50:53 GMT -5
Scooters are usually considered to be vehicles with a 'step through' frame. Off roading in one would be like trying to off road on one of those 1960's 'Girls' bikes with the step thru frame for wearing a dress. Those things weren't any good for even peddling hard. The frame would twist around bad. Any rough riding would end with the frame folded up.
I think most, if not all of the Maxi scooters don't have the step-through... well, maybe it's semi-step through at the most. heh
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Post by Senna1Rossi on Jan 4, 2017 11:53:02 GMT -5
I think any scoot that gets close to "bobber" status is probably the ones most close to offroad use. My thoughts are.. if it runs well as a bobber, it will run well off road.
bobber? elaborate, please.
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Post by Senna1Rossi on Jan 4, 2017 11:56:14 GMT -5
dang, that Honda Trail 100 looks fun
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Post by Lucass2T on Jan 4, 2017 11:57:00 GMT -5
My former employer built this scooter. He used it for two years the Dutch Moped MX GP. It was quick and fully built with nothing but high end and own spec stuff. Special built Malossi FS32 fork, full custom rear shock (kinda stuff you can't buy right from the shelf)... But it's the suspension and engine/swingarm concept that doesn't cut it in off road use. The engine is also the swingarm which not only limits suspension travel but is also way too heavy...unsprung weight in the back is too high. You want virtually no weight at the wheels axles. The front fork has too little travel which makes it impossible to take jumps, whoops, rythm sections (or anything thats not flat) at speed. Also, the wheels are too small to have stabilty on loose sand and last but least...the frame is kinda wide which means there's no place for footpegs. He kept breaking the rear axle with just riding hard on dirt tracks. He didn't have a polini torsen bar, it wasn't yet invented at that time. I've ridden it a few times on a cornfield...It's really difficult to handle at speed on dirtlike surfaces.
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Post by Senna1Rossi on Jan 4, 2017 12:06:45 GMT -5
^^ Shweet! the frame design looks cool though
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Post by Lucass2T on Jan 4, 2017 13:49:30 GMT -5
^^ Shweet! the frame design looks cool though This is what they look like in stock form
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Post by aeroxbud on Jan 4, 2017 14:23:38 GMT -5
^^ Shweet! the frame design looks cool though This is what they look like in stock form I think the Gilera ice is such a funky looking bike. In 172cc form its a bit of a weapon too.
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Post by aeroxbud on Jan 4, 2017 14:32:05 GMT -5
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Post by Lucass2T on Jan 4, 2017 14:47:23 GMT -5
This is what they look like in stock form I think the Gilera ice is such a funky looking bike. In 172cc form its a bit of a weapon too. Im still waiting for someone to put a gilera 180cc engine into a little Spree or sym DD kinda baby scoot
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Post by eclark5483 on Jan 4, 2017 15:18:06 GMT -5
I think any scoot that gets close to "bobber" status is probably the ones most close to offroad use. My thoughts are.. if it runs well as a bobber, it will run well off road.
bobber? elaborate, please.
A "BOBBER" cycle, is really just a stripped down version of a bike (kinda like a Ruckus). On a scoot, this would mean cut out all the fancy plastics and accessories and take it down to a basic frame with engine. A bobber is more suited for off road because for one, you know your gonna beat the hell out of it. You don't have to worry about cracking that front fairing, or busting out that fancy plastic tail light. Another thing you are doing when converting a bike to a bobber, is you cut out extra weight, which of course is always a good thing too.
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Post by ThomasTPFL on Jan 4, 2017 15:47:14 GMT -5
Derbi GP1 Revolution could probably be built into quite the off-road machine.
Big wheels have a real advantage in theuck though.
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