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Post by ThaiGyro on May 5, 2017 7:23:30 GMT -5
Hi all. I normally play in the 2-stroke threads. Today, after playing some with my Yamaha, I decided to begin looking at some changes. Mind you, it is a 2014 Yamaha Mio MX125...not quite found in America, but likely the same basic engine as a Zuma or Vino is the states. I am not looking at engine mods yet. What you possibly enjoy is a better suspension/tire combo than my ride. Your Zuma 125 has wider tires on smaller wheels, which equates to better grip. (Mio has skinny 14's/Zuma has fat 12's). The other noticeable difference is twin rear shocks on the Zuma versus a single on the Mio. My first question: How do people feel about the OEM front end performance? Handling and braking opinions at controlled high speeds and in OMG emergencies. Secondly: Do you find it hard to "tune" your suspension from front to rear/rear to front? (I am a picky former road racer) I have no plans to drop big coin into this scooter...I like it for what it does. Fuel injection is very good, top speed is nice, except super twitchy steering. (Does 115kph easily) The braking is really too good...your Zuma has rotors at both ends...mine has a drum in the rear, but who cares? It's ability to lock up with reduced control it is my issue. It is lightweight. My last crash (over a year ago) was due to hitting a dog. Twitchy front end buckled quick...broken collar bone and ruined a nice shirt. So, I want to slow down the steering and put more usable rubber down. Need to know your thoughts...  |
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Post by Senna1Rossi on May 5, 2017 10:50:30 GMT -5
Where are the pics, mate??
"OEM front end" and "performance" should NOT be used in the same sentence in the scooter world. It's nonexistent (well, one scoot is pretty good). Almost an oxymoron. I'm sure there aren't any scoots offered from the factory with ANY type of adjustments (even the Vespa 946 ONLY has rear preload option). And if you're expecting this scoot to be anything that you were used to in road racing, you'd have to spend some major monies, mate. No way around it.
OEM brakes are another unfortunate issue. There is almost NO modulation in any of the brakes on these types of scoots (you'd have to look for high-end scoots or Maxi-scoot with ABS, perhaps...) And again, if you're coming from motorcycle world, and especially from road racing, you would obviously know the importance of FEEL and POWER, which these lack.
Easiest and perhaps the best way to slow down the steering (more stable)is to replace with fatter and higher profile front tire, and wider and lower profile rear tire.
115kph easily? Hmmm...
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Post by spaz12 on May 5, 2017 14:09:19 GMT -5
If I had a Mio, I'd make it look like this  |
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Post by spaz12 on May 5, 2017 14:50:11 GMT -5
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Post by Senna1Rossi on May 5, 2017 14:52:06 GMT -5
DAng! Mio's are sim to Awerox??
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Post by spaz12 on May 5, 2017 15:31:14 GMT -5
DAng! Mio's are sim to Awerox?? Are far as popularity I would say so. Except they're popular in Asia, where is the Aerox is popular in Europe. |
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Post by ThaiGyro on May 8, 2017 4:04:57 GMT -5
Where are the pics, mate?? 115kph easily? Hmmm... Here are some pics...road rash included:      I played some today with the rear shock...I really like it, but it is set up for two riders, which is likely my problem. There is no front end adjustment, except I will change to fork fluid. My neighbor set his up with YSS springs in the front too, but he couldn't tell me the spring rate. He has YSS suspension at both ends...and his Mio is faster on top, mine quicker from start. Just a note about tuning in Thailand. They are crazy here about electronics, so ECU mods, plug-n-play, ECU shops and such are everywhere, though dyno time is hard. My scoot is stock but has a Gen3 EGK controller from Dobeck in Montana near where I used to live. My neighbor has a Japanese ECU in his and his stock exhaust has a slightly larger opening than mine. (16mm/14mm). Also, the Mio on wiki shows as being Philipine manufactured...that was true when they came out in '03. Ours was made here. Like many things Thai made...has performance enhancements. An OEM Mio 125 for example has a top end of about 101-103kph? (8.3kw in 2012) The 2014 MXi has a bit more power at 9.0 kw (12.2 hp.) and "supposedly" beefed up variator. (Weights?) I have not opened up the cover. No reason to, but now I am curious. I have not GPS verified the top end speed. (+6 mph over a standard model??? hmmm, Senna1Rossi...maybe not.). It also has some kind of cylinder coating...Yamaha version of Nicasil. (funny, it is not new tech, we used to Nicasil to coat stainless shafts on big compressors) I do know that it sucks to run WOT on most roads here, because of the front end mushiness. The other issue is that I am 78kg, the bike is 88kg with weight bias too far back. So shifting that more forward may help. Time will tell. Yes, I may be expecting too much...but if there's a way... |
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Post by Senna1Rossi on May 8, 2017 10:43:26 GMT -5
Nice!
Surely Ohlins rear isn't OEM, is it?? Maybe bigger front rotors and Brembo monoblocs are in order... heh
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Post by spaz12 on May 8, 2017 14:08:16 GMT -5
That Ohlins  . I wonder if it's real though? Looks real. But that's like a 700 dollar shock on an otherwise stock looking bike, so that's what made me wonder. |
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Post by ThaiGyro on Jun 28, 2017 7:23:40 GMT -5
Hey Spaz, yes it is real. I picked it up for low change at the Bangkok bike show in 2015. Ohlins has a manufacturing plant here in Thailand and love to compete with YSS suspension. YSS is a total Thai company, who does good work, has nice product line.
The key to this shock is the "non-adjustable" reservoir...hehe, which with the removal of one sealed screw, plus a few bits of seals and a valve, can become more adjustable. Not likely for my needs. Bought it for the damping improvement. I thick we paid the equivalent of $220 USD.
I actually got lucky here. Met the Ohlin's SE Asian CEO who helped me out with springs and seals and such for my Yamaha TRX 850. Nice mods for a conventional fork set.
I should be able to find model numbers and specs...if needed.
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Post by spaz12 on Jun 28, 2017 15:21:24 GMT -5
Hey Spaz, yes it is real. I picked it up for low change at the Bangkok bike show in 2015. Ohlins has a manufacturing plant here in Thailand and love to compete with YSS suspension. YSS is a total Thai company, who does good work, has nice product line. The key to this shock is the "non-adjustable" reservoir...hehe, which with the removal of one sealed screw, plus a few bits of seals and a valve, can become more adjustable. Not likely for my needs. Bought it for the damping improvement. I thick we paid the equivalent of $220 USD. I actually got lucky here. Met the Ohlin's SE Asian CEO who helped me out with springs and seals and such for my Yamaha TRX 850. Nice mods for a conventional fork set. I should be able to find model numbers and specs...if needed. Wow, That's way cool! How hard would it be to find another one around the same price range? I could give you specs on what I need. I would definitely by one. |
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Post by ThaiGyro on Jun 29, 2017 3:14:43 GMT -5
Well...I am not totally sure, but we can shoot for it. The factory is a few hours away, but if you give me specs, I certainly can try! In fact, with specs, I can get you quotes from both Ohlin's and YSS. There are fairly equal in quality here in the scooter market.
Look at YSS web site too. It is quite clunky, as models vary from country to country, but I can help with that.
For or Zuma?
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. I wonder if it's real though? Looks real. But that's like a 700 dollar shock on an otherwise stock looking bike, so that's what made me wonder.