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Post by christopher on Oct 15, 2019 16:09:47 GMT -5
I have a Malossi variator and matching front pulley half on its way. It comes with 16 x 13, 6 & 9 gram rollers. My current setup is all factory with 4.5 gram DR.Pulley sliders. Anyone have any experience going from stock to A multiparty? Will the 6.0 gram weight be to heavy or is there really no correlation and I just need to start with something? Looking at ordering a pack of weights to dial it in just haven’t done it yet. Also adding a slightly longer belt 796, my current setup doesn’t allow the belt to the edge of the rear pulley or top of the front pulley.
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Post by ryan_ott on Oct 15, 2019 16:56:12 GMT -5
I’d suggest just getting one of the tuning kits. The Stage6 actually lasts awhile so you could continue to use them but it’ll save you from buying weights until you know what you need. Shims are also a great purchase to get your belt sitting just right.
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Post by Zino on Oct 15, 2019 17:21:33 GMT -5
Cvt tuning on the cheap
IF sliders the same size 16 x 13 as the Malossi Variator .
You can stuff aluminum foil in the sliders about a gram fits in each .
Cut 6 squares the same size stuff all 6 sliders
run down the road take notes of how it feels and top speed
run 1/2 4.5 and 1/2 with aluminum foil run the road and take notes
run all 4.5
2 will fell the best
Make a sharpie mark on the varaiator and the tiebreaker is the one with the best belt travel.
Measure the average weight of the best combination of sliders and buy that one.
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Post by christopher on Oct 15, 2019 17:26:20 GMT -5
My sliders are to small, will have to get in the ballpark with rollers and go from there. I agree once I get close I will get sliders and have to dial that weight in. Even once I get sliders, I’m sure the shape change will have some effect.
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Post by love2ride1111 on Oct 15, 2019 17:29:12 GMT -5
Well I am learning a lot about my scooter I have had for 10 plus years. So for quickness sake of this message. I recently had 6.5 grams in stock variator and it was ripping pretty good but I had installed a yellow spring out back and somehow my variator got tore up. I did get this Malossi Multivar about a month ago it came with 9 grams , and I thought that's crazy hows that going help but go slower on take off . I have kitted 73cc unrestricted cdi and such . Anyway after many problems recently with omg bunch of nonsense . Today I worked on it cleared up a lot things , still have the Malossi in with 9 grams and omg it never has ripped so good , pulls hard and hits 50 in seconds, nice smooth rpms stays at 50mph at 8 k and plenty of room to actually accelerate from there, thoroughly impressed !!!. I was so depressed now very content with the Malossi multivar. Haven't gone far yet but seems like I am finally back on track .  |
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Post by Zino on Oct 15, 2019 17:59:45 GMT -5
I have found with sliders compared to rollers to get the same rpm range,
I go 1/2 gram heavier on slider weights on my 50-70 cc zuma ,Eton Beamer and Vino's.
So for examples 4.9 gram rollers in my malossi variator hit the same 9000 rpm as 5.5 sliders .
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Post by christopher on Oct 15, 2019 18:51:21 GMT -5
Well I am learning a lot about my scooter I have had for 10 plus years. So for quickness sake of this message. I recently had 6.5 grams in stock variator and it was ripping pretty good. I did get this Malossi Multivar about a month ago it came with 9 grams , and I thought that's crazy hows that going help but go slower on take off . I have kitted 73cc unrestricted cdi and such . Anyway after many problems recently with omg bunch of nonsense . Today I worked on it cleared up a lot things , still have the Malossi in with 9 grams and omg it never has ripped so hard and hits 50 in seconds, nice smooth rpms stays at 50mph at 8 k and plenty of room to actually accelerate from there, thoroughly impressed !!!. I was so depressed now very content with the Malossi multivar. Haven't gone far yet but seems like I am finally back on track . I’m not sure what to expect exactly. My current setup doesn’t allow me to get to the top of variator around 5mm left even after a 10,000 RPM run. The multivar is a bit larger diameter around 98mm I think. That’s going to leave around 8mm unused on the variator. My current 788 belt also doesn’t make it to the outside of the rear pulley either. The longer 796 belt should help with that. Hoping to shim the multivar so the belt makes it to the outside of the rear pulley. Hopefully the belt isn’t to long and I have to put to many shims in and feel like I’m taking off in second gear. |
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Post by love2ride1111 on Oct 15, 2019 20:16:23 GMT -5
Shim where ? As I understand it , the variator shims up front are to allow the belt to start lower for better acceleration .Because apparently for different reasons a belt will not sit low enough. So when you shim it opens up the two sides a bit more to allow it to sit lower. Super strong Kevlar belts will be slower for a while because of how they are made. A guy I watch on youtube with a sick 49cc scooter 0-30 in 1 second, o-60 in 5 sec. actually ground down his Kevlar belts to sit lower and surely many many other tricks for his scoot to do that and hit 80 mph plus. Recently I thought mine was two far open and was slipping though I discovered it was not the main issue .
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Post by christopher on Oct 15, 2019 20:48:35 GMT -5
Shim where ? As I understand it , the variator shims up front are to allow the belt to start lower for better acceleration .Because apparently for different reasons a belt will not sit low enough. So when you shim it opens up the two sides a bit more to allow it to sit lower. Super strong Kevlar belts will be slower for a while because of how they are made. A guy I watch on youtube with a sick 49cc scooter 0-30 in 1 second, o-60 in 5 sec. actually ground down his Kevlar belts to sit lower and surely many many other tricks for his scoot to do that and hit 80 mph plus. Recently I thought mine was two far open and was slipping though I discovered it was not the main issue . You are correct in the lower it sits there’s potential for improved acceleration. From my understanding when you add shims the variator will not close all the way either. The belt will also sit further out on the rear pulley improving acceleration. What I’m talking about is adding or removing shims as needed to get my belt in place with the new variator, so it sits on the outside of the rear pulley. |
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Post by christopher on Oct 17, 2019 20:52:41 GMT -5
My miscellaneous rambling about my first multivar run. I had a 5.90 second 0-35 mph. I put in the 6 gram roller weights that came with it and gave it a try. The 6 gram rollers in the multivar is acting like a lighter set of slider weights in the factory variator. Currently it reminds me of when I had 4.0 gram sliders which revved to much then went to 4.5 gram sliders. The 4.5 slider was about right and what I continued to run in the stock setup. So now I have to make a decision, lighter contra spring, or heavier roller weights? If I change roller weights have to figure out how much a gram or 0.5 gram change is in rpm with the different ramps and weight size. I have 6mm of marker remaining on the outer edge of my variator pulley. The belt also isn’t reaching the outside edge of the rear pulley, I have a 8mm longer belt, that I want to try and thinking of putting it on next to see what happens. If it’s not to long I may want to use it and see if I can get to the outside edge of the rear pulley and outer edge of the variator. The multivar did come with a white spring also, thinking about giving it a try. Currently I have a 1000 RPM contra spring installed. Tried a 1500 and stayed in high gear to long revved to much. Original variator installed, this is where the rear belt rode on the pulley.  This is where it rides with the multivar  |
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Post by love2ride1111 on Oct 18, 2019 9:38:52 GMT -5
Give that white spring a try , I am really enjoying it !
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Post by aeroxbud on Oct 18, 2019 16:13:54 GMT -5
Sitting much better with the Malossi variator. Should get better take off.
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Post by christopher on Oct 18, 2019 19:39:32 GMT -5
Sitting much better with the Malossi variator. Should get better take off. I agree it's better with the Bando belt, rear pulley halves still aren't all the way together. I was hoping the 796 mm Malossi belt would help. The new Malossi 796 mm belt is actually shorter than the Bando 788 belt with less than 100 miles on it. Not sure how much a belt stretches or how long it takes. Malossi X-Special 796 mm this is the belt I bought. www.scootertuning.ca/en/variators-sport-drive-belt/27011-drive-belt-malossi-x-special.htmlBelt doesn't sit as far out on the rear pulley, also doesn't ride as far out on the Variator outside diameter. The black is the Bando belt, orange is the Malossi.    |
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Post by repherence2 on Oct 18, 2019 21:02:28 GMT -5
I'm wondering why you place so much emphasis on the belt not riding high enough on the variator at full travel?
are you looking for more top speed?
you might be limited by the rear pulley. you could extend the pin slots in the torque driver to allow the rear pulley to open up a little more so the belt can seat lower in the rear pulley at max travel. in a way, you are still somewhat limited as to how deep the belt can get into the rear pulley. the inner diameter of the rear pulley when it is fully open is much greater than the diameter of the variator drive boss.
my Chinarelli came with a 788. my jog90 block came with a 797. I like the performance of the 797 because it gave me better top speed than the 788 did. in order for the belt to reach full travel, I'm pretty sure you need a belt in excess of 800mm, maybe like 820. my 797 does not reach the outer edge of my KELI variator.
if you want it to reach the outer edge of the variator, you could use a shorter drive boss. 0.020" difference in boss length can make a difference as far as top speed goes.
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Post by christopher on Oct 18, 2019 21:22:24 GMT -5
I'm really just looking to get the belt to use the entire rear pulley, with the belt not reaching the outer edge of the variator or the rear pulley I know I can go a bit longer on the belt and not be at the point the belt is going to come off the pulley.
I was also more referencing the variator in this case to show that the longer Malossi 796 belt is actually shorter than a 788 Bando if anyone is ever looking.
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