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Post by pete130 on Jan 30, 2022 6:07:57 GMT -5
Just wondering, if anyone here has played with it on there scooter, I know a 94cc should be and would be enough for most people, but there's always the few who want to go even faster. Not cheap but to have 5-150hp fully ajustable, would be nice to have, I would go more than a 7hp jet I think 5hp would be enough, lol what are your thoughts
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Post by messenger on Jan 30, 2022 11:17:04 GMT -5
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Post by 90GTVert on Jan 30, 2022 17:06:41 GMT -5
I've never owned anything with nitrous. I've helped a couple of friends with it on street/drag Mustangs. Never rode in the drag car with the big kit because it was already too much on motor for the street and no passenger at the track. The street car would normally chirp tires from a slow roll. With a 100-150 shot it would either break loose or it felt like it was coming off of the ground. I used to race that guy all of the time with my Mustang... from a stop, from a roll, whatever we could come up with to amuse ourselves. We were nearly even, with me usually having a very slight advantage unless he didn't shift well. I raced him with nitrous from a 50MPH roll and he left me. I thought something was wrong with my car. lol It was much the same when I put a turbo on my Mustang. It went from kinda quick to no chance of traction at any low speed and spinning tires even from a 50MPH roll on even a low boost setting (6-8psi). I've also been around centrifugal superchargers a little. In all cases, power adders can be really impressive.
That said, I've seen the down sides. I've seen what was left of a head and piston after too much nitrous and not enough fuel on the drag car. I screwed up my torque converter and transmission the first time I gave it a taste of boost and learned the hard way why converters need anti-balloon plates for power adders. I've blown more head gaskets than I care to admit from 1 uneven flowing runner on an intake that ran lean. Same setup ran for years of abuse without any known issue or unusual plug reads till boost got involved. Even just watching the coolant temp gauge rise quickly when nitrous was used on the street car was a bit of an eye opener for me. What I'm trying to say is, power adders cause stress.
That stress is one of the big reasons that I haven't played with nitrous on my scoots. Especially the two-strokes. They are under a pretty high level of stress anyway. The high strung stuff is on the edge of sane to use for street duty already. Adding more power that hits hard and creates a lot of heat and stress could easily put something that works over the edge and cause catastrophic failure. I've seen too many times what a lean mixture does to my 2T's pistons. I can only imagine how close to the edge you get with nitrous. Then there's the bottom end and whatever it's capable of holding without coming apart.
Add to that, I would really like a full kit. I'd be willing to play with a little whip cream maker cartridge on some scoots, but for a good engine combo I'd really like to go all the way. Most likely a separate fuel system with race gas for when the nitrous is activated. That's expensive.
It's always been a lot of money for a lot of risk and I can't have the power all of the time. I can't even show off the bottle if I don't want a huge fine. lol Also have to deal with bottle refills. I can tell you from my friend's car that you can't just trust that anyone that refills bottles does a good job. Around here, that means (or at least last I ever checked) traveling just to get a good fill.
My other thought for you is, to think about what you want it for. If it's for drag racing, I think it wouldn't do a lot for the average rider with an RC-One in a short race. It's going to be hard enough to keep the front down anyway and probably ridiculous when nitrous is activated.
I'm not trying to be discouraging. There are people that do well with nitrous on scooters, but I personally think it's better suited to track stuff or people that aren't concerned with expensive parts failures. I'd love to follow it if you do juice it, so keep us updated!
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Post by messenger on Jan 30, 2022 19:23:26 GMT -5
I only used a 40 shot of nitrous on my car, i didnt go mad... the engine was only a naturally aspirated 1600cc 4 cylinder, a 40 shot gave something like a 40% increase in h.p... which was very noticeable on a light weight street car. You would have to spend a lot of money to achieve the same increase in power with conventional tuning on a small naturally aspirated engine. I had a lot of fun with the nitrous, surprised a lot of people out on the road. The great thing about Nitrous is the way it delivers the power, it produces loads of instant torque, great for over taking on British windy country lanes. I would agree with Brent about using it on an RC one build, if you wanted to have a dabble with it on a scooter a lower powered set up would be better, something like a mild 70cc sport set up, then if it does go wrong and you scatter your engine, parts are cheaper to replace. Theres a guy on youtube you might want to check out called zip stunter who has nitrous on a mad zip scooter.. www.youtube.com/c/zipstunter
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Post by 90GTVert on Jan 31, 2022 0:54:04 GMT -5
Jack Cecil also has nitrous on one of his scoots. Unfortunately, usually the folks with really high end stuff aren't into giving out lots of detail. You can find some from Jack. Kit components are shown here : www.youtube.com/watch?v=XasDfv-_gSsHe's said that setup was around 30HP on motor and 40HP with nitrous. Don't recall much detail beyond that though or seeing nitrous dyno runs.
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Post by Lucass2T on Jan 31, 2022 3:54:36 GMT -5
Theres aparently lots of trail and error with spraying 2t's. I was reading quite a lot on this dutch scooter forum about 17-18yrs ago. This guy called Mol had his piaggio nrg fitted with a NOS system. Can't recall dry or wet system. He was running an malossi mhr speed (before the 7 transfer version was around). He melted multiple pistons before he got it dialed in. Like Brent said, not too much learning material to go from when doing such a build. It's doable but be prepared for some disproportional costs.
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Post by pete130 on Feb 6, 2022 23:31:29 GMT -5
I've never owned anything with nitrous. I've helped a couple of friends with it on street/drag Mustangs. Never rode in the drag car with the big kit because it was already too much on motor for the street and no passenger at the track. The street car would normally chirp tires from a slow roll. With a 100-150 shot it would either break loose or it felt like it was coming off of the ground. I used to race that guy all of the time with my Mustang... from a stop, from a roll, whatever we could come up with to amuse ourselves. We were nearly even, with me usually having a very slight advantage unless he didn't shift well. I raced him with nitrous from a 50MPH roll and he left me. I thought something was wrong with my car. lol It was much the same when I put a turbo on my Mustang. It went from kinda quick to no chance of traction at any low speed and spinning tires even from a 50MPH roll on even a low boost setting (6-8psi). I've also been around centrifugal superchargers a little. In all cases, power adders can be really impressive. That said, I've seen the down sides. I've seen what was left of a head and piston after too much nitrous and not enough fuel on the drag car. I screwed up my torque converter and transmission the first time I gave it a taste of boost and learned the hard way why converters need anti-balloon plates for power adders. I've blown more head gaskets than I care to admit from 1 uneven flowing runner on an intake that ran lean. Same setup ran for years of abuse without any known issue or unusual plug reads till boost got involved. Even just watching the coolant temp gauge rise quickly when nitrous was used on the street car was a bit of an eye opener for me. What I'm trying to say is, power adders cause stress. That stress is one of the big reasons that I haven't played with nitrous on my scoots. Especially the two-strokes. They are under a pretty high level of stress anyway. The high strung stuff is on the edge of sane to use for street duty already. Adding more power that hits hard and creates a lot of heat and stress could easily put something that works over the edge and cause catastrophic failure. I've seen too many times what a lean mixture does to my 2T's pistons. I can only imagine how close to the edge you get with nitrous. Then there's the bottom end and whatever it's capable of holding without coming apart. Add to that, I would really like a full kit. I'd be willing to play with a little whip cream maker cartridge on some scoots, but for a good engine combo I'd really like to go all the way. Most likely a separate fuel system with race gas for when the nitrous is activated. That's expensive. It's always been a lot of money for a lot of risk and I can't have the power all of the time. I can't even show off the bottle if I don't want a huge fine. lol Also have to deal with bottle refills. I can tell you from my friend's car that you can't just trust that anyone that refills bottles does a good job. Around here, that means (or at least last I ever checked) traveling just to get a good fill. My other thought for you is, to think about what you want it for. If it's for drag racing, I think it wouldn't do a lot for the average rider with an RC-One in a short race. It's going to be hard enough to keep the front down anyway and probably ridiculous when nitrous is activated. I'm not trying to be discouraging. There are people that do well with nitrous on scooters, but I personally think it's better suited to track stuff or people that aren't concerned with expensive parts failures. I'd love to follow it if you do juice it, so keep us updated! Yes I agree, its not going to be a drag bike, was just wondering if anyone had played with on a scooter, and it wouldn't realy have any use other than drag, bike will be used on road, as a weekender, just to freak a few out at lights, but as you said keeping front wheel is going to be a problem, as im using 350cc fvorse reeds and 35mm tmx race carb, and its near $1000 to set up, lol and to pay that for extra 5-7hp all I would get, isn't worth the cost, think it should have 30+ hp with big carb and inlet set up, thanks for your info, and nice set up in car, ive been in a few drag cars with nos and its is like lighting a rocket lmao
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Post by steve1297 on Feb 8, 2022 11:52:59 GMT -5
If it's a scooter you rely on for transportation, don't do it. You will burn it up.
Just get a stroker crank and BBK. That will give you lots of power
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