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Post by 2strokd on Apr 17, 2014 10:21:04 GMT -5
I am installing LED turn lights on my sons scooter and thought I would ask for any input on
LED flasher relays.. The stock unit is the simple 2 pin style. I see the LED ones starting at under $5
and up. Are the cheap flashers ok to use, or am I throwing money away?
This is my first personal true LED swap. The other LED,s I have bought/used were plug and play that fit
the old bulb socket. These are there own weather resistant sealed in +/- wire units. Nice little package..
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Post by 2strokd on Apr 17, 2014 10:23:55 GMT -5
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Post by 2strokd on Apr 17, 2014 10:25:33 GMT -5
Edit: I posted this in the wrong section  Can you move the thread to the general scooter section please? Thanks! |
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Post by Upgrayedd on Apr 17, 2014 10:25:31 GMT -5
i used one of the cheap ones from advance or autozone before, it worked fine for me with led bulbs. there was a set of dual phase led lights it did not like (ran white for running, flashed amber for turn) i think whatever cirtuit the bulbs had wired into them did not play well with the little flasher. with the regular style led bulbs (1156 and 1157 style both) it worked great. the relay i bought was a 3 pin, but i only hooked to 2.
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Post by 2strokd on Apr 17, 2014 10:38:38 GMT -5
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Post by Upgrayedd on Apr 17, 2014 11:10:40 GMT -5
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Post by 90GTVert on Apr 17, 2014 11:47:43 GMT -5
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Post by Upgrayedd on Apr 17, 2014 11:59:01 GMT -5
ever had one where the dash bulb caused the power to bleed across to the other turn signals and give you hazard lights (all four signals flash) after switching to LEDs? i have had one bike do that to me, gave me hazards either way i flipped the switch. as soon as i pulled the dash light and wiring, my signals worked fine. |
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Post by 90GTVert on Apr 17, 2014 12:35:51 GMT -5
Haven't had that happen yet.
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Post by FrankenMech on Apr 17, 2014 16:26:52 GMT -5
The two wire flashers require the bulb loads to flash. Some are electronic and some are mechanical flashers. The electronic ones may have a chance for working. Given that I would use a three wire flasher and just properly ground that third lead. I would not use the load resistors I see for sale to make the stock flasher work.
I have a LED stop and tail bulb 1157 type IIRC. My headlights are all LED. The stop and tail are the only signal bulbs that are on long enough to normally make an impact with power consumption and battery charging. My flasher is the OEM unit.
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Post by dan50 on Apr 17, 2014 16:34:20 GMT -5
FrankenMech, what kind of LED headlights do you use? My headlight is a BA20D style. I've been hesitant to go to LED headlights because of expense and lack of brightness.
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Post by FrankenMech on Apr 17, 2014 17:32:08 GMT -5
Because my scoot is a 50cc Ruckus style I was able to replace both of the headlight assemblies with a pair of LED 'worklight' used on trucks, tractors, ATV's, and other off road equipment. I have it wired so both of them are on in HIGH and only one in LOW. They are both 27W LED 'spotlights' which really are not much of a spotlight because of the LED surface emissions. My scoot also falls into the 'motorized bicycle, category in Kansas so it falls under bicycle lighting requirements. That means the front light does not have to be DOT approved. The lights are bright. You can see pictures here: 49ccscoot.proboards.com/thread/7806/another-old-noob?page=2 |
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Post by 2strokd on Apr 18, 2014 10:49:12 GMT -5
The two wire flashers require the bulb loads to flash. Some are electronic and some are mechanical flashers. The electronic ones may have a chance for working. Given that I would use a three wire flasher and just properly ground that third lead. I would not use the load resistors I see for sale to make the stock flasher work. I have a LED stop and tail bulb 1157 type IIRC. My headlights are all LED. The stop and tail are the only signal bulbs that are on long enough to normally make an impact with power consumption and battery charging. My flasher is the OEM unit. Its an old style mechanical relay just like older cars use. I hooked just the rear LED,s up and left the front incandescent bulbs and dash indicator (Edison bulb) as well. Not enough load to make that ole mechanical relay flinch lol. I could hide, or wire up a set of incandescents along with the LEDs and they will flash away of course, but that kinda defeats the whole purpose. I think I will go ahead and purchase the relay 90GT linked as its a pretty simple install and has worked for him. My biggest concern was buying a relay that is worthless. Thanks all!! |
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Post by 2strokd on Apr 18, 2014 10:55:40 GMT -5
When you switched to this relay with LEDs how was the blink speed? I assume it was "normal" or you would mention otherwise. I ask because this seems to be an issue with some conversions... |
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Post by 90GTVert on Apr 18, 2014 14:04:02 GMT -5
"Normal". Not sure what the rate is, but it looks about right.
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i think theyd work fine. it was 'switchback' style led bulbs i was thinking of earlier, like this one 
