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Post by derbiman on Aug 17, 2015 14:17:07 GMT -5
Well said,Fox. Get intimate with your scooter and it will love you back. Lol
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Post by katastroff on Aug 17, 2015 14:25:19 GMT -5
It's obvious you are dealing with is an idiot. He's either bullshitting you to point blame away from him and his worthless unqualified service dept. which makes him a rip-off artist like Brent said, or he truly believes what he told you which makes him ignorant and a bad businessman True that China scoots are les reliable and don't last as long as a Japanese machine but I took my GY6 50cc Chinese scooter for long rides of 100-200 miles in a single day without a break down so the guy is talking out of his behind. Even though it didn't come to you in a box, I think a full PDI is in order here due to the obvious incompetence of the service staff over there at Campus Scooter in Lansing Michigan. It's gonna resolve any issues you are having and give you peace of mind knowing that everything was done right. You tend to feel a nice sense of trust/confidence toward your scooter when you turn all the screws and bolts yourself. Im way behond that point. I wont even let anyone sit on mine. I'd rather die then let someone else wrench on it. |
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Post by paulmohr on Aug 17, 2015 16:38:53 GMT -5
Well I pulled the carb off and found two problems right off the bat. Fox you were correct about the O ring. It wasn't gone, but it wasn't seated properly either. And the air mixture screw is gone. It must have fell out on my last ride after adjusting it. Been a long time since I messed with a carb, but if memory serves me correctly isn't there supposed to a spring around the screw to keep tension on it so that doesn't happen? So now I either need to walk the whole route I rode looking for a tiny screw, or try and find a new one. Maybe the small engine repair shop in town might have one? Or I guess if worst came to worst upgrade to a larger carb. Which I really don't want to do to be honest.
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Post by Fox on Aug 17, 2015 17:21:44 GMT -5
Don't need a larger carb. Yes there's supposed to be a spring on the mixture screw. You just need to call the scooter shop tomorrow and tell them the mixture screw fell out of the carburetor and you would like them to mail you another one along with the spring. If they give you a bunch of flack I think I have one in an old carb I can send you for free. I am not gonna be home until tomorrow am. I learned the hard way to make sure that the spring tension on the mixture screw is sufficient to prevent it from turning. I will rev the engine and look at the screw to see if it's gonna turn. If I suspect it may not be tight enough I have actually stretched that spring a little bit with two pairs of pointy pliers. If I am lazy, I will get the screw adjusted properly and then smear a dab of RTV silicone on the screw head and let it dry while I reassemble the scooter plastics etc... Mixture screw www.scooterpartscatalog.com/carb-idle-screw-151-198.htmlspring www.scooterpartscatalog.com/idle-screw-spring-151-199.htmlKit with both www.scooterpartscatalog.com/qmb139-carburetor-repair-151-95.html |
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Post by richh963 on Aug 17, 2015 17:44:33 GMT -5
when I was looking at scooters I looked at campus scooters website. one day they had a message up that they would not repair Taotao scooters, but the next day the message was gone but it was in big yellow letters if I remember. Even thought he doesn't sell that brand it was a red flag for me cause he sold a brand that looked just like a taotao but I couldn't find hardy any info on the brand he sold.
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Post by paulmohr on Aug 17, 2015 18:02:16 GMT -5
They actually have something right on their website now that they will not service or repair chinese scooters. I asked them what that meant and they said only ones they didn't sell. If they sold it they will work on it.
I am going to sleep on it tonight and see if this is even something I want to mess with. Do I want the challenge of seeing if I can fix it, or would I just rather load it up and take and back to them. Chances are if I take this one back I won't be getting another one. We discussed it and decided that the price difference to get a good quality one just isn't worth the experience anymore. Especially considering its mid august and in michigan it will be getting cold out in a month or so.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 19:13:07 GMT -5
My friend that I got my scooter from bought it from a girl he knew from work. It had 400 miles on it. I got it from him with 4,000 miles on it. I asked him if he ever had it break down on him and he said it never did. He took it to get the oil changed on a regular basis and had the gear oil serviced but, he said that was it. He is moving to Fla. and just gave me the scoot as he did not want to have to pack it, so, it was not like he wouldn't tell me if he got stranded with it, plus we have been friends for 35 years.
Now, since I have had it for a few months, I have been going over the scoot and I have replaced/upgraded the parts that needed some attention. (New belt, variator, and clutch, new carb, new hand grips, new mirrors, and a few needed light bulbs) I have set the valves and done everything I have read on this forum I can think of to have it be as dependable as possible. My ride to work is 6.5 miles each way and, my real problem is that neither I nor any of my friends have a vehicle that can "rescue" me should the worst happen. I put together a nice small set of tools that I will carry with me and hope for the best. But, the vehicle i am driving now has 240,000 miles on it and I am going to use the scooter to take some of the load off of it as far as trips to work go.
I think my scoot is a 2008 (I need to check the ID plate) And the girl told my friend she bought it new for $600. So, she put 400 miles on it and he put the rest of the 4,000 miles on it and I have put 200 miles on it. Not bad really considering the price. Maybe this is a really good one? So far, so good. (Fingers crossed) I like this scoot enough and have it fixed up enough that it would be worth putting a new engine in if that time comes. (Or rebuilding this one making it 70cc)
Like Brent said, it is up to you. I just wanted to show you that at least some of these Chinese scoots can be dependable. My guess is that the newer ones are loaded down with so much EPA crap it is probably a miracle they run at all.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
Bill
PS That dealer is a moron to be sure.
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Post by birdman on Aug 18, 2015 5:44:22 GMT -5
All you need is a taiwanese carburetor, belt, and fuel/ vacuum lines to get you started. then, just keep a close eye on everything at least once every two weeks.
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Post by iwiketuddlz on Aug 18, 2015 7:52:48 GMT -5
If you need a spring for the mixture screw...... An ink pin spring will work almost perfectly...!!!!! Just my 2c
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Post by Fox on Aug 18, 2015 12:05:53 GMT -5
Okay so I do have a mixture screw and a spring here I can send you. PM me address if you decide you need/want it.
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Post by paulmohr on Aug 18, 2015 15:19:13 GMT -5
I went to the local Honda dealership this morning and they just gave me a screw kit. They are going out of business  . Every bike in there had a sign that said "not for sale" I asked if there was some kind of crazy recall or something and they said, we are not a honda dealership anymore. I guess the same guy owns the John Deere dealership next door too and is closing it as well. Didn't say why where they closing and I didn't pry, kind of looked like it was a sudden thing and the staff was a bit down. So, anyway, they gave me a idle mixture screw. It isn't really the correct one, but it threads in and works, and doesn't vibrate loose. I can screw it all the way in though and it doesn't die so it must be a bit short or something? However it idles fantastic now. It used to idle kind of high and surge a little bit. Like high enough the clutch wanted to engage while idling. Now it idles really smooth and pretty low, maybe 600 ish rpm? just guessing by ear though I don't have a tach. What a day though, I took it all apart yesterday afternoon but it was too late to find someone with an idle screw. So I left it sit till this morning. Went and get my screw and came home. Went to put it all back together and shure as heck I couldn't find that damn little c-clip for the idle enrichment selenoid. And there was no way it was going to go back together and work without that. I looked every where couldn't find it. I finally got frustrated and gave up and took a nap lol. I figured screw it I will just put it back together and take it back to them, I am done screwing a around. Got up, went out and and looked down in the engine bay and there the clip was lol. Put it all back together, gave it a little shot of spray start and she kicked right over. Set the idle, dropped the seat on it and took it for a little ride. Seems to run just fine. Not quite as fast as before. Fox may have been right, they may have tuned it with a vacuum leak so it might need re turned. I also haven't pulled the plug to look at it yet either, or checked the valves. My main concern was getting it to start and stay running. I mean it runs pretty good, just doesn't seem to be quite as fast. It used peg the speedo, no it comes just shy of it. Maybe it needs to go one up on the jet now. Honestly not sure I will mess with it. As long as it can do 35 or 40 I am good with it for now. I might tinker with it some more later tonight or tomorrow and let you all know what I find. But hey at least it runs now, that is a start. |
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Post by ams417 on Aug 18, 2015 16:35:18 GMT -5
Happy for you. These little single cylinder engines are fickle. Hope it stays licked for a while.
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Post by katastroff on Aug 18, 2015 16:58:25 GMT -5
I knew you were bitten by the scooter bug the moment you stepped in here. Say goodbye to the rest of your life.  |
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Post by katastroff on Aug 18, 2015 17:07:05 GMT -5
Well said,Fox. Get intimate with your scooter and it will love you back. Lol |
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Post by paulmohr on Aug 18, 2015 17:25:17 GMT -5
Well I pulled the plug and looked at it. Inner insulator is a dark brownish and the electrode and outer metal (top of the threads) is black. I would like to see a more whitish/grey insulator and a clean electrode. But considering what was wrong with it I am not shocked. It wasn't caked, wet or suity though. And I am pretty sure the gap shouldn't be .010 lol. I opened it up to about .027.
I am going to ride it for a few days and see how it does before I tinker with anything else. It just idles so smooth and it starts the second you press the button. I kind of don't want to screw that up tinkering with it trying to a get an extra mph out of it if you know what I mean.
I am thinking of sending the shop a nice little email letting them know all the stuff I found wrong on it. But I somehow don't think they will care. Hell for all I know they won't even read it. I might do it just to get it off my chest anyway though.
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. Every bike in there had a sign that said "not for sale" I asked if there was some kind of crazy recall or something and they said, we are not a honda dealership anymore. I guess the same guy owns the John Deere dealership next door too and is closing it as well. Didn't say why where they closing and I didn't pry, kind of looked like it was a sudden thing and the staff was a bit down.