Theorists?

[merrikii1]

I myself don't know either. The reason I even started this thread was in hopes of finding people that are seeking. My wife wants me to stop looking. Maybe I hoped for proof from others. In reality, the very people tagged as theorists, the ones that try to spread the word, ultimately disappear. Usually the report claims suicide. Even ones strangled. I definitely don't want dissension.

I am new to this and my children have been sick for three months. I took them to the DR. They said that pollen is the blame. I truly bought equipment because it looked like jets spraying crap in the sky. I can see them doing it up close. I don't claim to be an expert, but, something is awry.

None of you noticed the sun is weird? Too bright? None of you noticed the weather is off big time? I bought solar filter glasses and equipment but the sun looks normal. Although, I am no expert astronomer either.

I do know for a fact that different religions all claim their path is the right one. I do know that history is told differently depending on the source. So, if religion is based on region, history is based on the source, and science is based mostly on theory, where does fact begin?

Are there any truths to even find? If so where?

[90GTVert]

I don't know if it's correct or at least favorable to say science is based mostly on theory. In the world of science, a theory is different than what most of us call a theory in everyday practice. In everyday life, I may call something a theory because it's what I think is true, but it's more of a guess or a hypothesis. In science, a theory should be a well supported idea that can be tested. Scientific theories are as close as we have to real facts. They get mistaken because of common dialect and when it is said that they are falsifiable. Being falsifiable doesn't mean that you certainly can prove my statement to be false, but it's open to the possibility rather than claiming that you can't possibly learn anything more about the topic as all is known with 100% certainty and to the greatest scale of detail. Maybe it's just semantics, but hate to see science looked upon as just ideas.

[benji]

Mar 19, 2017 6:53:28 GMT -5 oldgeek said:

Mar 19, 2017 1:54:25 GMT -5 benji said:

I've seen contrails. Chem trails stay in a blue sky and spread for hours............

Wow My contrails behave EXACTLY as you describe your chemtrails do! Thanks for opening my eyes to your REAL truth. My avatar says "Lost in the tall grass" but in reality I hide here, because I feel safer. It is my own form of "FLACK"

I withdraw from this conversation, I can't take any more truth at this time.

If your "contrails" don't dissappear or become thinner within a few minutes(seconds really) it's not water vapor(or "steam" as us conspiracy theorists call it) and "propaganda" is more appropriately attributed to the stories you posted on this thread, about how you "actually" did the research on this topic(suggesting others havent) and mocking people's worries by making up a story about your wife and daughter hearing "scary noises" from the stove, suggesting it's people's own fear and paranoia causing us to see things that aren't there.
Here is a book by Edward bernays called "propaganda" and it outlines how to combat truth and to convince the public of something regardless of evidence against.
archive.org/details/EdwardL.BernaysPropaganda
It was published in 1928 and has been used by multiple government agencies and marketing research firms over the years. Most people should read it, and with an open mind. Another book to read would be "brave new world" by aldous hauxley.
archive.org/stream/ost-english-brave_new_world_aldous_huxley/Brave_New_World_Aldous_Huxley_djvu.txt
It's science fiction from almost 90 years ago that is surprisingly real.

[benji]

Mar 19, 2017 10:37:45 GMT -5 merrikii1 said:

I do know for a fact that different religions all claim their path is the right one. I do know that history is told differently depending on the source. So, if religion is based on region, history is based on the source, and science is based mostly on theory, where does fact begin?

Are there any truths to even find? If so where?

History is told by the winners. If I tell you about a fight I got in with somebody, my story will be different from the other guys. For us to find out what real truth is, we have to get multiple opinions. Just like in court. If we only listen to the defense and look only at the evidence brought forth by the defendant, then innocence is hard to argue against.

If you look at religion scientifically, most faiths are connected somehow. Very few are original. Most suggests the same things, and most have reoccurring characters that can be found in multiple religions. When people start arguing about religion they are only seeing what's different and not the same.

We aren't all educated thoroughly enough to be able to consistently know the truth, but we all instinctually know when we're lied to. But when the truth isn't as desirable as the illusion, it's hard to clear peoples view. And most of us have common sense, so we should use it to question peoples intentions. And listen to the answers.

[benji]

Read books. Lots of them. Then ask yourself about the truth, because your the only one who can really tell you the truth. Other people will only tell you what's true to them.

My family has developed "allergies" as well, constantly coughing and blowing our noses. And spring isn't even hear yet, it snowed last week. It NEVER snows here, maybe an inch that melts in a day or 2, it snowed up until last week here, and it was sunny and warm the week before. Why is still so damn cold while randomly being hot?(it's easily 60 today here) where is this "pollen" coming from? I've never had allergies before, why am I developing them at the same time as my wife and son?

[merrikii1]

Well, semantics or not, theory is theory. Any idea of how something works is theory. All theory can be tested. Again and again facts are proven false at a later date.

benji, I understand where you are coming from.

There are probably much better forums for these topics. I'll stick to engines here. My search continues.

[greggkinney]

i dont inow anything about chemtrails or contrails and those kinds of things but i do know i pretty upset when i heard that the moon landings might be fake lol. damnit man!!!! it does make sense when you think about modern day space travel vs the 60s & 70s space race. i dont know maybe we got tired of going to the moon and would rather spend millions jus orbiting the earth taking pics of something we see everyday.

[niz76]

I remember I had a Smurf book as a kid in the 80's titled "The Astrosmurf" where they faked an interplanetary adventure to cheer up the depressed Astrosmurf whose rocket had failed. They spiked his drink and while he slept they disassembled the rocket and transported it to a volcano.... Looking back it was a pretty sneaky propaganda book for kids! lol.

I didn't hear of the fake moon landing theory until years later but I always remembered that Smurf book where they pulled it off.... 
You can read it here: bluebuddies.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/3361.html

[benji]

Remember on Scooba doo how they always had a projector and a smoke machine making monsters? Check this out..
youtu.be/vZRFcGrrsyc
youtu.be/6dLi_uE5l90
youtu.be/5CqUYBopWLs

[benji]

Mar 20, 2017 20:55:40 GMT -5 greggkinney said:

i dont inow anything about chemtrails or contrails and those kinds of things but i do know i pretty upset when i heard that the moon landings might be fake lol. damnit man!!!! it does make sense when you think about modern day space travel vs the 60s & 70s space race. i dont know maybe we got tired of going to the moon and would rather spend millions jus orbiting the earth taking pics of something we see everyday.

OR maybe, just maybe, we never went- and maybe we haven't been to orbit either. There are theories about how it's mathematically impossible to go into space. I'm not sure about that myself, but I wouldn't be to surprised haha.

[AtariGuy]

Mar 20, 2017 23:48:25 GMT -5 benji said:

Mar 20, 2017 20:55:40 GMT -5 greggkinney said:

i dont inow anything about chemtrails or contrails and those kinds of things but i do know i pretty upset when i heard that the moon landings might be fake lol. damnit man!!!! it does make sense when you think about modern day space travel vs the 60s & 70s space race. i dont know maybe we got tired of going to the moon and would rather spend millions jus orbiting the earth taking pics of something we see everyday.

OR maybe, just maybe, we never went- and maybe we haven't been to orbit either. There are theories about how it's mathematically impossible to go into space. I'm not sure about that myself, but I wouldn't be to surprised haha.

i like to question things. I question my wife a lot (and get doghouse time for it lol!) But i never stop asking questions. I looked into flat earth theories, 9/11 theories, ancient aliens (one that seems more believable to me), and i even look into common knowledge theories (einsteins theories of relativity) and so forth. I will question everything until i'm certain myself that its worth believing. I am a simple man. Change is on the wind and theres no denying it. All i can do is buckle up til its my time to go.

Ya'll wanna pose conspiracies, debate, argue, and other conjecture. But in the end, aren't we all supposed to be on the same team in this roller coaster ride called life? Lets try to respect each other instead of cut them down. We only get one shot to be a better human being than our parents were (and for some of us, those are some mighty big shoes to fill)

[greggkinney]

atariguyfc sorry if you or anyone thought i was arguing or anything, i wasnt. i meant that i really dont know anything about chemtrails and comtrails, ive never even heard of them or their theorys. i honestly mean i was upset as in mad, let down and such about the fact i could have been lied to about people landirng on then moon. when i first read about the conspiricy theory and the landings i studyed up on the stuff for a while. i see good arguments from both sides. im not sure that man has ever been when i really look at the facts. the fact we all of the suden stoped going and now just orbit gets to me, the radiation belt, shadows in photos lol all kinds of stuff dont add up. do i think my government woul lie? well hell yes i do!! i think theres conspiricy around every corner with the us government. my friend was a big fan of the matrix movies and used to tell me " it o ly taste like chicken because theyve told us it taste like chicken, or something along those lines. i know what he meant now

[greggkinney]

Mar 20, 2017 22:44:30 GMT -5 niz76 said:

I remember I had a Smurf book as a kid in the 80's titled "The Astrosmurf" where they faked an interplanetary adventure to cheer up the depressed Astrosmurf whose rocket had failed. They spiked his drink and while he slept they disassembled the rocket and transported it to a volcano.... Looking back it was a pretty sneaky propaganda book for kids! lol.

I didn't hear of the fake moon landing theory until years later but I always remembered that Smurf book where they pulled it off.... 
You can read it here: bluebuddies.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/3361.html

niz you reckon they spiked his drink with magic mushroom tea? lmao i guess it only logical that little blue people would live in shrooms!
i also glanced at ethe 12th planet book link that you posted..im thinking you have now plucked the fruit from the tree of knowledge my friend lol

[benji]

I don't mean to insult anyone or cut anyone down; unless they want to insult,cut down, or otherwise minimize or demean another person's opinion or question. We all need knowledge, and some may know more or less than others.

In forums of ancient rome, many opinions were talked about, and there forums mimicked ours in the way that people collected in common areas to discuss topics that interested them, and sub-groups would develop from those groups to form political action campaigns, charity events, wars, business small and large, etc. This was a powerful tool for popular opinion swaying, so powerful men would send in usurpers, or paid shills, to go into certain forums and speak negatively about certain topics or people and positively about other topics to help sway public opinion. This is a practice as old as society, and we all must be careful of it. It's our responsibility to the generations before us that gained the freedom we have now, so that the generations after us have that same freedom or more.

[benji]

I saw the matrix movies again recently...man there good. The story line is so adaptable to so many things. When i explain things to people I try to use analogies to get them to understand. Those movies seem like analogies of so many stories it's incredible.