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Post by map on Dec 18, 2017 11:14:01 GMT -5
So I'm looking to get rid of a good amount of body pieces and seeing how this is the body shop, I thought this was the right place. As some of you already known, got a GY6 Roketa with a 139QMB Engine. Looking to go bare bones and make it into a upgraded off road toy which can also get me around town. I'd love for it to have a clean look in the front, meaning less wire's everywhere, but I also want it to be as close to the frame as possible. Anyone here got idea's on how many body pieces can be taken off before it's a problem and so it can keep the clean but rugged look? Also any thoughts on making custom panels?
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Post by lostforawhile on Dec 18, 2017 11:21:43 GMT -5
A lot of people don't realize it, but aerodynamics help a lot on these scoots, you don't have much horsepower, so every bit helps, even putting on my soft side saddlebags slows me down a lot. Something to consider before removing all the plastic,especially in front
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Post by map on Dec 18, 2017 11:55:54 GMT -5
A lot of people don't realize it, but aerodynamics help a lot on these scoots, you don't have much horsepower, so every bit helps, even putting on my soft side saddlebags slows me down a lot. Something to consider before removing all the plastic,especially in front The front panel is most likely going to stay, mostly because it is made for the headlights. I'd love to replace that and build something custom, but it will stay. This will mostly be for off road fun use with the occasional long ride on the road. |
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Post by 90GTVert on Dec 19, 2017 7:30:51 GMT -5
A lot of people don't realize it, but aerodynamics help a lot on these scoots, you don't have much horsepower, so every bit helps, even putting on my soft side saddlebags slows me down a lot. Something to consider before removing all the plastic,especially in front Yes and no. I thought that years ago. I had a 70MPH setup in the scoot pictured below.  I was happy to swap it into the fairing-equipped and lowered scoot shown below, thinking I'd pick up speed with just the aero difference. I was wrong. I did end up 2MPH faster, but I made changes to the engine. When it was first swapped in, I got the same results. Both of these scoots started as the same frames so it's a pretty direct comparison (both Vento Tritons).  Anyone that's tucked down on a scoot at top speed should know that drag does indeed make a big difference, but going from what appears to be a terrible design (my front panel on the naked scoot is actually a forward facing scoop shape) to one that looks more streamlined did mostly nothing for me. If the frontal area of both were equal, I'd think the standard fairing should be better than the wind catching scoop deal, but frontal area is less on the naked scoot so I think it pretty much evens them out. If it doesn't do much at 70MPH, I'd expect 35-50MPH stuff to notice no difference. I'm a big guy too. 6ft2 and mostly between 275-300lb for my scooting career, so I'm catching a lot of wind even on a naked scoot. It may not be unreasonable to think a smaller person could actually see gains on the naked scooter if they were able to mostly tuck behind what panels were left like I can't. Could again be next to no difference. Not sure. I'm not saying you can't make a positive change. I'm sure a true aero build with a bubble around you and proper tail would do a lot. Most of us aren't going there though. Probably the best most will do on a practical build will be to match the scoot's frontal area more closely to our own so the fairings aren't adding more area. |
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Post by benji on Dec 19, 2017 9:54:15 GMT -5
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Post by pinkscoot on Dec 19, 2017 10:09:38 GMT -5
Benji, thanks for the video. That is a great looking scoot and the riders tuck is interesting.
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Post by benji on Dec 19, 2017 10:38:17 GMT -5
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Post by RollingThunder on Dec 19, 2017 16:18:08 GMT -5
That thing is bad ass! Is there a build thread on it? |
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Post by 90GTVert on Dec 19, 2017 19:45:05 GMT -5
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Post by map on Dec 21, 2017 4:15:37 GMT -5
A lot of people don't realize it, but aerodynamics help a lot on these scoots, you don't have much horsepower, so every bit helps, even putting on my soft side saddlebags slows me down a lot. Something to consider before removing all the plastic,especially in front Yes and no. I thought that years ago. I had a 70MPH setup in the scoot pictured below. I was happy to swap it into the fairing-equipped and lowered scoot shown below, thinking I'd pick up speed with just the aero difference. I was wrong. I did end up 2MPH faster, but I made changes to the engine. When it was first swapped in, I got the same results. Both of these scoots started as the same frames so it's a pretty direct comparison (both Vento Tritons). Anyone that's tucked down on a scoot at top speed should know that drag does indeed make a big difference, but going from what appears to be a terrible design (my front panel on the naked scoot is actually a forward facing scoop shape) to one that looks more streamlined did mostly nothing for me. If the frontal area of both were equal, I'd think the standard fairing should be better than the wind catching scoop deal, but frontal area is less on the naked scoot so I think it pretty much evens them out. If it doesn't do much at 70MPH, I'd expect 35-50MPH stuff to notice no difference. I'm a big guy too. 6ft2 and mostly between 275-300lb for my scooting career, so I'm catching a lot of wind even on a naked scoot. It may not be unreasonable to think a smaller person could actually see gains on the naked scooter if they were able to mostly tuck behind what panels were left like I can't. Could again be next to no difference. Not sure. I'm not saying you can't make a positive change. I'm sure a true aero build with a bubble around you and proper tail would do a lot. Most of us aren't going there though. Probably the best most will do on a practical build will be to match the scoot's frontal area more closely to our own so the fairings aren't adding more area. The above image is exactly what I'm looking to do. A off road toy which is naked in panels but still street legal. My biggest worry honestly is mud/rocks in the wires and the waterproof aspect of the cables and wiring harness. How did you deal with that? Also don't really want a mess of wires being the main thing you see when you look at this. Do you have a build thread of the first picture? |
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Post by map on Dec 21, 2017 5:53:12 GMT -5
Anyone got advice on making custom panels from plastics? Just enough to cover electronics or anything important. A type of plastic like what Vert used with his Trail Tech Vapor Gauge videos.
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Post by 90GTVert on Dec 21, 2017 6:28:20 GMT -5
The above image is exactly what I'm looking to do. A off road toy which is naked in panels but still street legal. My biggest worry honestly is mud/rocks in the wires and the waterproof aspect of the cables and wiring harness. How did you deal with that? Also don't really want a mess of wires being the main thing you see when you look at this. Do you have a build thread of the first picture? Here's the build thread. 49ccscoot.proboards.com/thread/436/triton-2-t2-89-110ccUnfortunately, the details of the naked conversion aren't covered there. I did that before I started this forum. I will try to make a post later showing more detail with pics from that time since I get asked about it so often. Keep enough panels to block you, and keeping fenders would make it sling less at you. My wires are wrapped in electrical tape mostly. Connectors can have dielectric grease applied inside and silicone to seal or you could replace connectors with waterproof styles. Cables haven't been a problem. Just keep them lubed on occasion. |
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Post by map on Dec 21, 2017 6:38:51 GMT -5
The above image is exactly what I'm looking to do. A off road toy which is naked in panels but still street legal. My biggest worry honestly is mud/rocks in the wires and the waterproof aspect of the cables and wiring harness. How did you deal with that? Also don't really want a mess of wires being the main thing you see when you look at this. Do you have a build thread of the first picture? Here's the build thread. 49ccscoot.proboards.com/thread/436/triton-2-t2-89-110ccUnfortunately, the details of the naked conversion aren't covered there. I did that before I started this forum. I will try to make a post later showing more detail with pics from that time since I get asked about it so often. Keep enough panels to block you, and keeping fenders would make it sling less at you. My wires are wrapped in electrical tape mostly. Connectors can have dielectric grease applied inside and silicone to seal or you could replace connectors with waterproof styles. Cables haven't been a problem. Just keep them lubed on occasion. That seems like it's a lot easier to deal with than I previous though. What did you do for your head lights and front blinkers? They don't look stock and instead seem like you mounted them somehow. I'm very interested in doing the same. |
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Post by 90GTVert on Dec 21, 2017 13:02:07 GMT -5
I just finished up the post about the conversion to naked in that thread that I started this morning.  Check it out. |
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Post by map on Dec 22, 2017 17:12:33 GMT -5
I just finished up the post about the conversion to naked in that thread that I started this morning. Check it out. Yup, just saw it. It adds some insight for sure. |
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Check it out.