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Post by peascreek on Apr 20, 2018 20:19:52 GMT -5
<snicker>
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Post by benji on Apr 21, 2018 13:02:33 GMT -5
It depends on how you look at it. There's absolutely no reason cannabis should be criminalized, except to keep it out of the hands of government regulation, taxation, cronyism, and corruption. The same government that makes medical cannabis research illegal while allowing opiates and opioids to be used widespread.
Btw, none of the states to legalize weed have legalized hemp yet (to my knowledge) so cannabis is still criminalized to a degree.
Jah should be free of man's constraints, period. Free to all.
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Post by peascreek on Apr 21, 2018 14:51:27 GMT -5
Opponents are increasingly finding themselves being made fools of with science and facts.
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Post by bluegoatwoods on Apr 22, 2018 9:30:13 GMT -5
All it takes is just a bit of observation to see that cannabis is easily teh least harmful mind altering substance out there. It's a gentle, easy and friendly drug. Those who are denying it are doing it because they just don't want this to be true.
It should never have been outlawed in the first place.
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Post by tortoise2 on Apr 22, 2018 11:20:08 GMT -5
All it takes is just a bit of observation to see that cannabis is easily teh least harmful mind altering substance out there. It's a gentle, easy and friendly drug. Those who are denying it are doing it because they just don't want this to be true.
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Post by bluegoatwoods on Apr 22, 2018 13:31:15 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I believe in addiction and do not deny it's existence.In the case of some harder drugs, addiction is literally deadly. (Interesting exception: Heroin. Though the addiction is very real, clean heroin doesn't kill. It merely addicts. And I suppose I ought to make sure and say that I do understand that overdoses can kill. But that's a bit different. Legitimate medicines can do the same in the same way, after all.)
But even in the case of the harder drugs, I'm not at all sure that outlawing them is the best way to deal with them. Though I will admit that whatever our response to them, it should be a serious response.
But take it from a guy who's had a lot of experience with marijuana and who knows others who've had a lot of experience with it, addiction is a borderline ridiculously strong word for marijuanas hold on people. Anyone who's given up pot can tell you that it's one heckuva lot easier than giving up, for instance, heroin or cigarettes. Any comparison would be laughable.
I'm gonna have to quit this thread because it's getting close to politics. Sorry Brent!
To the entire human race: get high or don't. You've got my blessing either way.
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Post by peascreek on Apr 22, 2018 13:53:20 GMT -5
addicted, like all the drunks getting busted on the day they were targeting cannabis users, or like politicians concerned about "drug abuse" that get busted at 3:30AM on the interstate, twice the legal limit in unlawful possession of a loaded gun.
trolls like to forget, even the governments own numbers prove booze is the most serious drug problem in America hands down, costing the country more each year than all other drugs combined.
it's also interesting note that studies show states that have allowed legal access to cannabis see statistically significant reductions in dangerous drug abuse like alcohol and opiates, even among younger people.
Colorado found teen drug use, including cannabis lower having legalized it.
Funny how much money the booze boys have put into fighting it.
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Post by 90GTVert on Apr 23, 2018 8:19:05 GMT -5
I don't do drugs or alcohol. Have a bit in younger days. Have no desire to now. Even with my anxiety issues, I won't do either because if it does help then I assume it's likely I'll want to do it again and again and I don't want any part of an addiction other than scooters/horsepower. Spending time in the garage or on the scoots helps too, so I'll keep my cash for that instead.
That said, if people can get drunk legally, I don't really see practically why they couldn't smoke up if marijuana was available legally so we didn't have people getting shot over drug deals and such. I won't involve any politics, I'm only saying from personal experience that I think I'd prefer to be around someone intoxicated from weed vs alcohol. I just haven't seen anyone stoned on marijuana not laced with anything that's yelling and trying to start fights like alcohol so commonly does. I've had friends that were bouncers and there are an awful lot of stories that prove how much of a bad influence alcohol can be. In my eyes, if everything was fair/level, then either marijuana and alcohol would be legal or marijuana and alcohol would be illegal or preferably third party studies should be used to determine what should happen without influence of money/power from any industry. That starts to get into politics though, so I'm not going there.
Mostly, I have no issue with driving under the influence of either being cracked down on. I speed though, so maybe I can't say much. Had one verbal warning for 70+ over from an officer that couldn't get me on RADAR and only caught me when I was standing in the driveway. I didn't even realize he was after me because he was so far back. Pretty sure you could argue that's dangerous. That's my issue with most discussions in general. People can't see each other's side too often or can't admit their own faults so I hate to come across like I don't do anything wrong on the road. Having lost 2 friends that I called brothers to drunk drivers/driving, I'm just not a fan.
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Post by jackrides on Apr 23, 2018 11:41:20 GMT -5
I do think that as decriminalization progresses importation laws should probably stay in place. Buy American! There is one big negative to this; cops with less to do.
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Post by benji on Apr 23, 2018 14:10:07 GMT -5
There is one big negative to this; cops with less to do. I guess that means we'll need less cops haha. Ya right, that won't happen. They'll just 'regulate' something else. |
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Post by AtariGuy on Apr 26, 2018 15:04:05 GMT -5
I'm with bluegoatwoods on this one - coming from a libertarian stance - that if we decriminalized drug use, we can start treating the addiction instead of locking people up in overfunded crowded jails/prisons for victimless crimes.
Political soapbox done.
Robin williams had said it perfectly in a stand-up, and mind you, i'm paraphrasing. "You've macrame'd your ass to the sofa [whole lot of skit] and you wake back up on the sofa! You've never left!" I find it hard to believe that anyone under the influence of marijuana would have the motivation to cause mischief. I'm not saying it cant be done. There are a lot of functioning potheads out there, i could rattle off about a dozen that i know of.
Alcohol could have you driving in reckless abandon with no thoughts or fears of damage or disaster. The ganj on the other hand has you so paranoid that 30 feels like 65 and you're telling your driver to slooooooow dooooooownnnnnn...
Fights? I once tried to start one while i was drunk. I aint never been in a fight. But my dog wouldn't fight me back. After a joint? Psh, i'd rather fight with a bag of cheetos. But thats cuz it wouldnt give me my hand back.
I saw a guy, drunk as a skunk, stumble and fall into a camp fire cuz it was his life's ambition to go pee in the fire. Weed's just got people wanting to drink a gallon of water and to stay otherwise glued to the seat.
I guess what i'm trying to say is i find a whole lot less harm in the intake of marijuana than alcohol. These days i just don't, it costs too much money to attempt to alter my brain, and the uncomfortable ramifications of alcohol to my body is just not worth it. I also like having the jobs i work knowing i can give a clean urine sample without a guilty concience.
With the ever increasing numbers of states legalizing marijuana for med/rec use though, i'm sure our country is hitting a turning point where more jobs will tolerate an outside of work user and more science studies will be able to determine a roadside administerable test with nearly immediate results on whether a person is influenced or not soon. Hopefully that may sway the public for reform...
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Post by bluegoatwoods on Apr 27, 2018 20:13:07 GMT -5
We could just let Mr. Spock decide the issue. Would that be alright?
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Post by oldgeek on Apr 27, 2018 20:27:46 GMT -5
I accidentally voted for all three choices on the poll. (I was high and they all seemed to make sense...at the time)
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Post by fuzzyruttin on Apr 27, 2018 23:39:13 GMT -5
I accidentally voted for all three choices on the poll. (I was high and they all seemed to make sense...at the time) No that doesn't work, i just tried |
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Post by fuzzyruttin on Apr 27, 2018 23:43:42 GMT -5
Personally think the nanny state americans are currently living in is waaay overdone. Simple example, seatbelts. Good idea? yes. Should it be a law? no. Someone knowingly & willfully ingests something in his/her body. Good idea? Probably not. Should it be a law? no. Peace, out
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