slim
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Post by slim on Jul 19, 2011 3:41:55 GMT -5
I have a 2005 vento triton r4 i am wanting to keep up with traffic better got this scooter to save on gas wanted a motorcycle but this is what i could affor got mine for 600 had 3,600 miles on it i found a 90cc motor that i think will direct bolt up and fit will have will this fit my scooter my scooter has a minerelli engine this one is same looking and looks the same exactly ive posted pic of 90cc engine and this is the website for the engine www.partsforscooters.com/90cc-2-stroke-1PE50QMF-Engine Can anyone help me tell me if this will work can i use the same clutch for temporary  can i just upjet carb and use the stock pipe its pretty nice pipe and large suppose to be better than a regular supossibly a preformance one straight from manufactur from what im told the exhaust is a silverstone exhaust system please tell me what i need to do this motor i believe is a direct boltup let me know please first scooter Attachments:
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mccanic
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Post by mccanic on Jul 19, 2011 7:44:55 GMT -5
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Post by mccanic on Jul 19, 2011 7:56:22 GMT -5
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Post by 90GTVert on Jul 19, 2011 13:40:56 GMT -5
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Post by 1quikvento on Jul 23, 2011 8:24:31 GMT -5
Slim- I myself am debating the very same thing you are. I got the same scooter you do only a year older, and once I saw how relatively cheap a motor swap was for these scoots, I was ready for it! And I asked a few of the senior members, and read the same two links, and I advise you to read them thoroughly. They are all you need to kno to make up your mind and are totally kick-ass(thanks to the authors!!!).
My thing was- do a bbk, add a pipe, rollers,contra spring,etc... or a jog90 motor swap. I ordered a bbk just to familiarize myself with working on a scooter, but believe me once tax season rolls around I'm swapping to a 90. Guys on this site say they love the torque and its prolly the best bolt on.
I do honda motor swaps a lot and some of them can get pricey. But it takes a lot of time and money to take that non vtec motor and make it a vtec with power thats equal to or better than a swap. So Im all about the swap...
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Post by mccanic on Jul 23, 2011 10:08:45 GMT -5
im going a 90cc with a stroker crank and a l/c bbk!
1quikvento-do you want to by my apexi neo? great for tuning hondas. pm if you want it.
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Post by 1quikvento on Jul 23, 2011 10:20:41 GMT -5
Thanks for the offer on the neo, but I have a similar contraption to it called vafc that I use. A lot of folks hate them, but I find them really useful. Especially if u cant afford a standalone or a pricey piggyback.
I do have a buddy that might take off your hands tho. Ill find out and shhot u a pm. Thanks...
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Post by mccanic on Jul 23, 2011 16:44:19 GMT -5
Thanks for the offer on the neo, but I have a similar contraption to it called vafc that I use. A lot of folks hate them, but I find them really useful. Especially if u cant afford a standalone or a pricey piggyback. I do have a buddy that might take off your hands tho. Ill find out and shhot u a pm. Thanks... i had dsm and i had it on my car making 350 whp but i was in my friends honda and he losed controlle and we went right into trees i still can't walk that good and that was April 15 broke my leg. thanks i hope you buddy wants it im giving him one hell of a deal! i need scooter parts so i hope he wants it!! |
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slim
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Post by slim on Jul 27, 2011 11:14:47 GMT -5
Thanks you guys for all the info you have been alot of help and i appreciate it....as far as the variator i believe it comes with one installed already and on the clutch im gonna use the same one till i can afford to get one ....will this motor allow me the space to install a stroker crank without boring the engine??? how fast will my scooter go when im done installing the new engine??? were can i get a manual i have one but think i got the wrong one what scooters have the same engine and setup as mine? Also what is the better brank clutch i can get for my scooter and the variator and what weight rollers would be best to use??? Is polini a pretty good brand? Can you guys give me a little more intell One last thing is on the new motor looked at wiring of new one and noticed it has one less wire in the hookup points than the stock one will you guys check into this ull have to look at the 49cc and 90cc motor and see the difference i cant save the pics or id post them......theres pics of the engine wiring and all at the websites 49cc www.partsforscooters.com/220-44__Minarelli__Style_1E40QMB__Engine?sc=2&category=77295#90cc www.partsforscooters.com/90cc-2-stroke-1PE50QMF-EngineAnd now im looking at the pic of engine if it includes all in pic of 90cc motor it will have a clutch that comes with and variator probally already installed and in the engine |
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Post by 90GTVert on Jul 27, 2011 12:52:45 GMT -5
You should be able to fit a 45mm stroke crank in there without case mods. There are different cranks available, but there are definitely some that will swap right into the 90cc cases. Regarding the speed, I'm not sure how much more detailed I can get than this thread that was already posted here. Results will vary, not all 90s are created equal, I'm heavy, but it's good info on what to expect and what to expect from different upgrades... 49ccscoot.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=yamajog&action=display&thread=1712&page=1The manual for a 49cc minarelli will serve the same purposes for the most part. There are links to those in our Tech Library, and a lot of articles in the Library. Of course browse the Library and you'll find even more info on these engines. Leave the clutch alone IMO. You just won't see gains with it. The biggest difference you'll be likely to notice after buying a new clutch for anything but a race setup is that you now have less money. If there is a problem with a worn out or slipping clutch, that's a different story, but as long as it works OK, leave it alone for now. I have had very good luck with the Hoca variator from PFS. There are others that are similar as well, they're copies of a Malossi MultiVar that is often replicated. They come at a good price and you can see nice gains. Look in the Project 90 link above and that variator was tested. The engines you linked to come with everything shown, and yes there is a working CVT under the cover including the clutch and variator. |
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Post by ltsride on Jul 27, 2011 19:07:07 GMT -5
with no real tunning i get about 53mph from the 90cc with the 45mm rumia crank and a 54mm bbk i also have a 21mm arreche carb with a 95 mian jet and 6gram sliders, the pipe is a yws v8 and makes good low end power, the power band comes on about 6200rpms and pulls hard to about 9000rpm. i have a 2008 triton r4 and i weigh about 155 pounds
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slim
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Post by slim on Jul 28, 2011 16:15:43 GMT -5
my motor stock is doing 51 and is pretty close to on dot seeing as i keep up with traffic in 55mph traffic i weigh about 140 i tuck down when riding also makes quite a bit of differance......im getting my motor next pay day i believe and cant wate to see the differance im thinking its going to make quite a bit of differance in both low end and top end considering its 49cc more power than i have now thanks again everyone for the help
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can i just upjet carb and use the stock pipe its pretty nice pipe and large suppose to be better than a regular supossibly a preformance one straight from manufactur from what im told the exhaust is a silverstone exhaust system please tell me what i need to do this motor i believe is a direct boltup let me know please first scooter 
