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Post by thunderkat59 on Aug 20, 2011 18:39:31 GMT -5
Just wondering . . . Is there way to get Speedfights, Phantoms and Cygnus type scoots here in America ?? Shops or dealers ?  Or is it just keep looking, looking and looking forever in the usual places and hope you stumble across one ? I looked for any links and came up empty.  Thanks in advance, Lm in KY  |
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Post by 90GTVert on Aug 20, 2011 19:00:15 GMT -5
I'd think keep looking and cross your fingers or prepare to pay out way more than they're worth by the time you get one here. Not really sure though.
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Post by ravensguildassasin on Aug 20, 2011 21:39:23 GMT -5
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Post by bigjeff on Aug 20, 2011 21:51:07 GMT -5
new ventos? Think they still have them? There is alot of outdated stuff on the internet.
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Post by Fox on Aug 20, 2011 22:02:47 GMT -5
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Post by thunderkat59 on Aug 21, 2011 7:44:35 GMT -5
Thanks Dave !!
:thumb: :drool: :thumb: :drool: :thumb: :drool:
Thanks for replies, guys . . .
I guess Eton it is for a while ! Thats Ok, though .... :riding:
:cheers:
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Post by lshigham on Aug 21, 2011 8:14:31 GMT -5
Peugeot speedfights (or speedshites as they are called here) leave a lot to be desired in the engine department, stick with the Mina or Piaggio engines.
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Post by tango on Aug 21, 2011 8:39:41 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, what kind of engines do the Speedfights use?
Even so, I've got to admit that Peugeots and Aprilias have the sexiest scoots out there. I can understand why somebody would be tempted to deviate from the ubiquitous Minarelli. I've been tempted myself. But my requirements are just too narrow to allow for anything but an air-cooled Mina.
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Post by lshigham on Aug 21, 2011 9:34:08 GMT -5
It's their own vertical design. Stage6 do sell a kit to fit a Piaggio engine in there, which would be the only circumstances I'd consider owning one.
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Post by reveeen on Aug 21, 2011 10:04:33 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, what kind of engines do the Speedfights use?
Honda owns a good part of Peugeot. The 2 cycle Speedflights we got here had Honda Dio (50cc), a stretched (bored, 50/54mm) version of the Mascot (Aero 80) as the 90/100 Speedflight w/wo water cooling. Currently the 4 cycle Speedflights we get here are simply over priced GY6 units (the 2 cycle units do not meet emissions).
BTW: you just keep hoping...... the EPA will stop you importing anything remotely interesting into the US, unless: it is an antique (15+ years old), or someone has "qualified" the scooter you wish to import.
I was unable to export a Suzuki 2 cycle lawn mower engine to the US.
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Post by thunderkat59 on Aug 21, 2011 10:55:52 GMT -5
It is sort of crazy that people can buy Hummers here, but a 3 cubic inch weedwacker engine is seen as an issue. Go figure . . .
Dont want to get political though :dunno:
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Post by tango on Aug 21, 2011 11:36:45 GMT -5
@ Reveeen: Actually, according to Peugeot's corporate website that union between Peugeot and Honda ended back in 1998 and the motorcycle arm is now wholy owned by PSA (Peugeot and Citroen's parent company). They must really like Honda technology and decided to stick with it across the board, since the GY6 is also Honda. I would suppose it would make for corporate issues if they utilised a design from the Yamaha camp (ie, Minarelli).
The last time I exported anything to the US (3 little bags of Tang for my friend to taste Sweet Sop Juice and Tamarind Juice) US cutoms held them and must have brought in sniffer dogs and X ray scanners and must have done the whole swab thingy on those packets to ensure they didn't have any drugs. The package arrived at her home several weeks later than anticipated and with a tag saying it had been opened by customs. For all I know I probably got my friend on a watchlist or some shit! Here in Jamaica we can import practically anything we want as long as it has a valid certificate of fitness from the country of origin (ie, it's road worthy where it's coming from and not some junk that's being dumped here).
I know that there are some seriously interesting 2-stoke designs (I've seen one with a poppet type exhaust valve and intake port like a 2 stroke diesel, supercharger and direct injection) that could meet emissions standards of the future, but they seem to be a bit too expensive for the likes of Jonway or Vento to be talking about right now. Certainly the Aprilias and the Peugeots with their high price tags can justify it. <sigh> Would be cool to see how the Chinese can help us out though...
@ thunderkat59: It's already political, brother. Let's look at the weewhacker situation. When a weedwhacker needs oil do we put high quality stuff in there or do we put any old greasy stuff? Exactly. That low grade stuff pollutes much more I'm sure. But we don't care. When they start to hiccup we don't even fix them. We put them outside and put up a curb alert listing on Craigslist! Then we march down to Sears or Walmart and buy another. It's too easy and cheap to treat them badly. If everybody does that then we have a serious pollution problem over time.
Before the flaming starts, I'm just playing devil's advocate because here in Jamaica we fix that shit and fix it good because even weedwhackers cost an arm and a leg here! LOL!
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Post by reveeen on Aug 21, 2011 13:13:04 GMT -5
because here in Jamaica we fix that shit and fix it good
We used to do a pretty good job at fixing shit too........ but then:
1) Parents stopped showing their kids how to do stuff, be it because they were too busy working to support their lifestyle, or they wanted something better for their kids (it is not uncommon a young person can make change for a purchase)
2) The schools stopped teaching this stuff..... either cost cutting, or lack of interest.
3) Our governments gave manufacturing away..... by lowering (or eliminating) tariffs and duties... allowing the wholesale export of jobs to places where the folks are willing to work for nothing.
4) The parts to fix (or build) stuff simply do not come here any more (no manufacturing, nobody fixing anything).
What no one quite realizes is the N. American auto industry nearly went bye-bye a short time ago. (the governments propped them up) I am not saying GM, Ford, or Chrysler, would have had nothing to sell you at their stores (they would fill them with imports from their branches in other countries). They would just cease N.American manufacturing operations, allowing them to go bust, and shake their "legacy costs", specifically: the employee pension/health plans.
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Post by tango on Aug 21, 2011 13:38:37 GMT -5
because here in Jamaica we fix that shit and fix it goodWe used to do a pretty good job at fixing shit too........ but then: 1) Parents stopped showing their kids how to do stuff, be it because they were too busy working to support their lifestyle, or they wanted something better for their kids (it is not uncommon a young person can make change for a purchase) 2) The schools stopped teaching this stuff..... either cost cutting, or lack of interest. 3) Our governments gave manufacturing away..... by lowering (or eliminating) tariffs and duties... allowing the wholesale export of jobs to places where the folks are willing to work for nothing. 4) The parts to fix (or build) stuff simply do not come here any more (no manufacturing, nobody fixing anything) It's the same everywhere, brother. Our schools, our hospitals, our police...all have been trimmed so bare that they are unrecognisable as entities that we pay for with our tax dollars. Someone once wrote "necessity is the mother of invention". Perhaps it's the comfort zone that the West has been nestled into for so long that really is its undoing. When the US needed better financial practices during the great depression, it invented them. When the US needed better equipment to fight a war against Nazi Germany, it invented them. And when the US needed better technology to put it on the Moon, it invented them. Now that the US needs more fuel-efficient vehicles to fight off oil prices that it cannot control it isn't inventing them...it's importing them. Something has to be wrong with that folks. And as an outsider looking in (as Reveeen is as well) I can tell my American brothers and sisters to resist the temptation to become embroiled in political tribalism. You can only look to Africa and Jamaica to see where that will end up. Stop pointing fingers that Bush did this or Obama did that. It's time all that is set aside so that your country can move forward. Find solutions that both sides can be proud of. Let the recent fall in debt rating be a shot across the bow. That's just a warning...you can still correct it. Sorry to have gotten political in your thread, thunderkat59. I just take every opportunity I get to preach that bit of gospel. |
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Post by tango on Aug 21, 2011 13:55:14 GMT -5
What no one quite realizes is the N. American auto industry nearly went bye-bye a short time ago. (the governments propped them up) I am not saying GM, Ford, or Chrysler, would have had nothing to sell you at their stores (they would fill them with imports from their branches in other countries). They would just cease N.American manufacturing operations, allowing them to go bust, and shake their "legacy costs", specifically: the employee pension/health plans. It was recently revealed that the bailout of Chrysler by the US government cost tax payers US$1.3 Billion. There are people crying foul elft right and centre about this. It's not my tax dollar being spent, but I believe it was better spent saving American jobs than the US$1.33 billion per month that it's costing the US tax payer to have a presence in that shithole called Afghanistan. But it's the political zealots that have us all confused, trying to sway the public one way or the other, and making a darn good job of masking the truth. None of the measures in place right now will ever bring the US economy back on stream or create any real dent in the job crisis. US policy has ignored the teachings of Sun Tzu for far too long and we are now seeing what is to be reaped from that. "Therefore, I have heard of military operations that were clumsy but swift, but I have never seen one that was skillful and lasted a long time. It is never beneficial to have a military operation continue for a long time." - Sun Tzu, Ch.2 Doing Battle |
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