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Post by gy6luver on Sept 18, 2011 12:12:02 GMT -5
hello all
I am having issues with my current scoot, its taking me like 50 kickstarts to get this thing running when i start it up first time in the day, what issues would the scoot be having that could cause this (my foot hurts please help me!!!)
FYI the battery is a POS and advance auto ripped me off so im going to file with the BBB for them selling me junk and not honoring to replace it,
Battery aside the kicking is unbelievable
it shouldnt take that much no way ever right?
FYI so that you know my nericher was broken and i have removed it completely and capped that section of the carb off with a plastic cap that has holes to allow air to flow through it
Once it starts it will run fine all day, but it shouldnt be this exhaustive to get it running
where should i check (tear carb down?, fuel lines are brand new, check those?)
thoughts!
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Post by Fox on Sept 18, 2011 12:29:15 GMT -5
:popcorn:
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Post by gy6luver on Sept 18, 2011 12:31:49 GMT -5
fox, is that your way of telling me you want to watch while i light it on fire! lol |
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Post by speedy1125 on Sept 18, 2011 12:37:51 GMT -5
sounds like a fuel delivery problem to me. get a can of starting fluid, shoot it in the air box or whatever and see it it fires easier.
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Post by gy6luver on Sept 18, 2011 13:08:26 GMT -5
sounds like a fuel delivery problem to me. get a can of starting fluid, shoot it in the air box or whatever and see it it fires easier. are we referring to the part where the back of the carb is, or the actaul part where the air filter is on the side box? |
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Post by Fox on Sept 18, 2011 13:48:38 GMT -5
First off, If you have air entering the auto enricher port then the thing is going to run screwy. You are better off plugging it off completely with a hunk of chewing gum or some silicone but the best thing would be to get a new auto enricher.
How long has it been since you did the valves? If you have a tight valve then you can lose compression.
What color is the spark plug?
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Post by Goosey on Sept 18, 2011 14:14:28 GMT -5
This is his "new" 150cc, as in brand new i believe?
My thoughts, I would replace the auto enricher, and try the valve adjustment, like Fox said. If this is a new scooter, battery, not charging, it is possible you were one of the lucky folks to get a new scooter with a bad stator.....or a wire not connected properly.
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Post by gy6luver on Sept 18, 2011 14:30:02 GMT -5
This is his "new" 150cc, as in brand new i believe? My thoughts, I would replace the auto enricher, and try the valve adjustment, like Fox said. If this is a new scooter, battery, not charging, it is possible you were one of the lucky folks to get a new scooter with a bad stator.....or a wire not connected properly. this is still the old 150 everyone the untied motors POS the new one still has not been delivered yet! |
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Post by gy6luver on Sept 18, 2011 14:39:34 GMT -5
First off, If you have air entering the auto enricher port then the thing is going to run screwy. You are better off plugging it off completely with a hunk of chewing gum or some silicone but the best thing would be to get a new auto enricher. How long has it been since you did the valves? If you have a tight valve then you can lose compression. What color is the spark plug? see thats the thing fox, the reason i put that modded cap on in the pic below was BECAUSE it was running screwy when the HOLE WAS PLUGGED (and the guy i worked with off of scootdawg say most people say its the opposite  example lets say the engine is running at idle (fuel/air screw 2 turns out from full closed position) if i plug the hole and the idle is set say at 2k rpms the engine conks out and dies, if i let iar flow THROUGH it at 2k rpms the engine will rev up to 3k rpms with air flowing in The enricher was bad most people say to not run with one anyway the battery is another issue but it could just be dying from all the turning over it takes to get the engine started as for the valves while not a highlight i dont really want to take that cap off again i just did those valves when i put the new heado n not a month ago thanks for all the help everyone |
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Post by Fox on Sept 18, 2011 15:41:43 GMT -5
as for the valves while not a highlight i dont really want to take that cap off again i just did those valves when i put the new heado n not a month ago Hey man, if you wanna jerry-rig it and ignore the advice that is given to you then you should stop asking for advice. What do I know anyway? I've only been wrenching on these things for close to 7 years. |
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Post by 90GTVert on Sept 18, 2011 15:42:58 GMT -5
I've never tried that, always just use a good enricher. I'd think you're sucking in too much air there and leaning it out with it vented. The stock enricher is sealed in there and it works fine that way for most of us. Since you don't wanna use it, I'd try to plug it up, let it warm up, and then adjust the mixture and idle speed and see if it's still running screwy.
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Post by gy6luver on Sept 18, 2011 15:43:34 GMT -5
as for the valves while not a highlight i dont really want to take that cap off again i just did those valves when i put the new heado n not a month ago Hey man, if you wanna jerry-rig it and ignore the advice that is given to you then you should stop asking for advice. What do I know anyway? I've only been wrenching on these things for close to 7 years. I guess you were not paying attention fox, i told you what it is doing, read the above post! |
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Post by Fox on Sept 18, 2011 15:52:06 GMT -5
I could fix your scooter withing an hour or two if it were on my bench dude. It's a matter of not being lazy and going through and eliminating every possible suspect but you seem to think a valve can't tighten in a month when I've seen it happen multiple times over the years.
Other suspects include: CDI, Stator, Pickup coil, clogged carburetor passages/jets, cracked intake manifold rubber, loose spark plug, bad plug wire/coil/cap
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Post by gy6luver on Sept 18, 2011 15:52:53 GMT -5
I've never tried that, always just use a good enricher. I'd think you're sucking in too much air there and leaning it out with it vented. The stock enricher is sealed in there and it works fine that way for most of us. Since you don't wanna use it, I'd try to plug it up, let it warm up, and then adjust the mixture and idle speed and see if it's still running screwy. so i should do that now then, while the engine is warm, correct? |
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Post by gy6luver on Sept 18, 2011 15:56:18 GMT -5
I could fix your scooter withing an hour or two if it were on my bench dude. It's a matter of not being lazy and going through and eliminating every possible suspect but you seem to think a valve can't tighten in a month when I've seen it happen multiple times over the years. Other suspects include: CDI, Stator, Pickup coil, clogged carburetor passages/jets, cracked intake manifold rubber, loose spark plug, bad plug wire/coil/cap Im sorry we disagree on something like this fox, but the truth is im FAR FROM LAZY i have torn this bike down REPEATEDLY since i owned it only to have to fix something else the next day or so, I know what it takes to do all this im just getting tired of doing it, these things should work for more then a week before they break down FYI: all those things you pointed out as causes were checked but ill go and take the cover off AGAIN and check my valves if you think it will solve something and i did ASK YOU why it would run rough with air NOT going in the enricher hole, and run good with air going in, but you must have totally missed that post! |
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