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Post by Goosey on Sept 18, 2011 16:00:12 GMT -5
Ok, the only thing I can ad here is do you have a charger on that battery after it is run down? You should, or it will surely die.
My Baron needs a very good battery to start. I am using the battery that was in there to run my air pump, and impact wrench, but fully charged it won't fire up that scooter for anything. Swap out a fresh battery and it starts just fine.
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Post by speedy1125 on Sept 18, 2011 16:43:44 GMT -5
assuming you have no vacuum leaks, no ignition problems and no mechanical problems, i would take the air filter out of the air box and spray some starting fluid down the intake and kick it. that SHOULD fire it up. if it does, you have a fuel delivery issue or a massive vac leak or both.
the assumptions i made are the weak point in my logic so its best to verify those problems indeed do not exist as much as possible when not running and after it is. this is where experience comes in. spray carb cleaner, the starting fluid or flow propane around the area of the plugged enricher port while its idling and if the rpms pick up, it is drawing air in which is leaning it out. as far is this vented cap, that will only create a problem. if the enricher is removed it must be plugged off totally or the vacuum leak will cause problems by leaning out your air/fuel mixture. if plugging it up makes it die, you have another problem. best thing to do is get a working enricher and make sure the wiring is working too.
it is difficult to diagnose a problem with out seeing the vehicle and even harder when advice given is not taken, no offense intended.
Good luck!
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Post by gy6luver on Sept 18, 2011 16:56:01 GMT -5
assuming you have no vacuum leaks, no ignition problems and no mechanical problems, i would take the air filter out of the air box and spray some starting fluid down the intake and kick it. that SHOULD fire it up. if it does, you have a fuel delivery issue or a massive vac leak or both. the assumptions i made are the weak point in my logic so its best to verify those problems indeed do not exist as much as possible when not running and after it is. this is where experience comes in. spray carb cleaner, the starting fluid or flow propane around the area of the plugged enricher port while its idling and if the rpms pick up, it is drawing air in which is leaning it out. it is difficult to diagnose a problem with out seeing the vehicle and even harder when advice given is not taken, no offense intended. Good luck! speedy, im all for advice and trying it out, i will do so in the am, if i try to kick or start it now she will just fire up, also i have a brand new can of gunk starter fluid Ill try this stuff tomorrow am thanks Im all for advice its just whether i can do the things im being advised to do, some of it has already been done and so its redundant |
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Post by speedy1125 on Sept 18, 2011 17:01:38 GMT -5
modify to my above post:
as far is this vented cap, that will only create a problem. if the enricher is removed it must be plugged off totally or the vacuum leak will cause problems by leaning out your air/fuel mixture. if plugging it up makes it die, you have another problem. best thing to do is get a working enricher and make sure the wiring is working too.
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Post by speedy1125 on Sept 18, 2011 17:02:47 GMT -5
maybe i missed it but what are your valves set on? how many miles are on this bike?
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Post by gy6luver on Sept 18, 2011 17:11:50 GMT -5
maybe i missed it but what are your valves set on? how many miles are on this bike? 1540 mileso r so on the bike right now valves grr i set them according to what brent (90gtvert) advised awhile back i want to say .04 and .05 but dont qoute me |
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Post by Fox on Sept 18, 2011 17:24:57 GMT -5
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Post by speedy1125 on Sept 18, 2011 17:26:36 GMT -5
okay i read through everything again.
If i work on a car that wont idle and i intentionally pull a vacuum leak to make it idle, that doesnt mean that its fixed.
the enricher issue must be correctly solved before we can move on. get a new enricher and make sure the correct voltage is being sent to it, then we can move on if there are still problems. if you dont have the money to get one, make sure the port is totally and completely sealed off with something like rtv, jb-weld etc.
And of course, a battery.
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Post by gy6luver on Sept 19, 2011 9:19:56 GMT -5
this mornings update it was VERY COLD here last night (below 30 F) so i started with a cold engine, i took the air box off and sprayed ether in it for 3 seconds, i went to kick it over after 20 seconds and the first kick brought the starter to life right away, but unfortunately on the second kick the kick lever went right down to the ground, now the kick lever is just going up and down by itself (maybe unseated or worse)
I was able to put it on jumper cables and after 3 seconds it fired up, this tells me the original theory of a fuel delivery problem is true, however if i was to install a manual choke what would the benefits be/drawbacks be
truth is no SANE person is riding in 30 degree weather, scoots should be put away by then, this wont be an issue where im moving to since it doesnt get below 60 hardly ever there, and IM NOT EVER taking this POS with me there anyway
Ill do a manual choke if someone wants to point me to a how to, i still have to investigate the kick lever today though
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Post by gy6luver on Sept 19, 2011 9:51:43 GMT -5
its true they have carbs cheaper then most, and they come with an enricher, i sent them a message, scrappydawg can get me an enricher by thursday, lets see if these guys can do better |
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Post by Fox on Sept 19, 2011 11:52:26 GMT -5
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Post by gy6luver on Sept 19, 2011 12:00:21 GMT -5
lol thanks for the info fox, hindsight is always 20 20, ill remove the cvt cover and see if it didnt just come off the gear, i can hope! |
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Post by Fox on Sept 19, 2011 15:21:32 GMT -5
Good to see you haven't lost hope!  On the 150's you have to remove the kick lever to get the cover off. There's a washer and a bushing on the main shaft. Don't lose them! |
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Post by gy6luver on Sept 23, 2011 10:34:04 GMT -5
FORGOT to update this so here it goes Ok well like any other thread eventually the problem gets solved, the scoot gets torched, the scoot dies for good, the scoot gets sold, but the end result is the same the solution is found. I am happy to report that the carb i ordered monday with teh auto choke showed up today, i installed it and the only mishap i had was the fact that for some really strange reason the throttle cable seens a TINY bit short, im going to try to find a workaround for that, the throttle cable is not hung up on anything, not binding anywhere, it just seems short. The result is the scoot takes off by itself when it starts unless you forcefully pull the throttle back on the carb, then once you give it gas it revs again, but that is a small price to pay for the scoot starting on barely any push of the starter. I got a brand new battery which is showing running at almost 15V when the engine is revved and 14.25 when the engine is at idel, also with the new enricher and new carb the scoot semms to have a new spring into it, I just did a test sitting on the gas tank down a flat road and was able to reach 61 MPH GPS Verified, thats a much better speed then the 47 MPH i got after i changed the head and muffler out, maybe the carb was the problem all along Anyway thanks for all the help and comments (good) and (bad) those were entertaining Until the next time she breaks (oh wait i gotta tighten that screw or hook up that wire) and didnt i have two wheels on my scoot when i went in the store! LOL see ya dawgs Read more: scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=talk&thread=43747&page=2#ixzz1Yn3KHs9x |
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Post by Fox on Sept 23, 2011 12:01:46 GMT -5
You can put some slack in the cable up near the grip if you haven't done that already. Maybe swapping the old throttle cable bracket from the old carb to the new carb will work?
One thing I've learned about these carbs is that sometimes you get one that is just plain bad and no matter what you do or try or how many times you clean it it won't work.
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