dellorto phbg 19 ds vs dellorto phbg 19 ds black edition ???

[br4inl3ss]

hi.
what is the difference between both standard and black edition ( called racing ) ?
is it actually really the same carb internally ?
some say its a different carb internally, other says only the "equipment" is different ( like the screw on the bowl for fast jet access )

also why some photo show the same exact carb ( phbg 19 ds ) but with different cable top ?
one is screwed on by 2 screw, other is like a cola bottle cap. all listed as the same, but with different image....

some weirdo site list the same cable top, and some list one for version 1 and the other for version 2...
first i tought it was just the old version with 2 screw... seems wrong. then i tought it was normal vs racing ( black edition ), seems also wrong.

i can get a very good deal for the phbg 19 DS on motomode website, this guy is trying to help me with my nightmare and in french ( thats is helping ALOT ). thing is on his website the carb is a " DELLORTO PHBG 19 DS " with a photo of the 2 screw top. on the internet its mixed up. 
because of shipping and the fact he has only ONE in hand and promotion if off when he sell it ( he dont know when other will get by ), i could get the black edition for cheaper on scootertuning ( 209 motomode standard but on sale for 133, 159 scootertuning the black edifion ).
hes shop is closed till wednesday so id like to know before i call him.

also is one better than the other ( cable top difference )? parts availability is the same ( in case its a old model or something like that ) ?

isnt the 2 screw more fragile to cracking or overtightening ?

[Lucass2T]

Racing has a chromed slide and a bolt in the float bowl for quick jet changes.

[br4inl3ss]

Jun 25, 2023 15:26:29 GMT -5 Lucass2T said:

Racing has a chromed slide and a bolt in the float bowl for quick jet changes.

so its basically the same, if one work fine the other should work the same... no change in ventury or anything ?

[Lucass2T]

Jun 25, 2023 20:59:31 GMT -5 br4inl3ss said:

Jun 25, 2023 15:26:29 GMT -5 Lucass2T said:

Racing has a chromed slide and a bolt in the float bowl for quick jet changes.

so its basically the same, if one work fine the other should work the same... no change in ventury or anything ?

Nope

[br4inl3ss]

ok thank you alot. thats very helpfull.
it was so misleading... some place says its the same, other place says its a optimised version of the standard. even found a place where they state different venturi angle so performance isnt the same.

what about the different version for the standard ( 2 screw top or like a pepsi bottle )... are they 2 ACTUAL different version ? are images wrong ? is one the old version ?

[Lucass2T]

Jun 26, 2023 12:14:15 GMT -5 br4inl3ss said:

ok thank you alot. thats very helpfull.
it was so misleading... some place says its the same, other place says its a optimised version of the standard. even found a place where they state different venturi angle so performance isnt the same.

what about the different version for the standard ( 2 screw top or like a pepsi bottle )... are they 2 ACTUAL different version ? are images wrong ? is one the old version ?

The new version of the normal phbg also has a (plastic) screw top. Racing has a metal one, the bowl is also metal instead of plastic with the normal one.

[billwill]

I have a dellorto black 21mm and from what I understand, like Lucas mentioned, the biggest difference is the quick access to the main jet via the bolt in the bottom of the float bowl.

I have been using this carb for quite some time so I'm not familiar with constantly changing and swapping main jets during tuning with another carb but I can only imagine what a hassle it would be without it. To me, it is worth it.

[br4inl3ss]

thanks.
wait. how many version is there ??
ive seen the plastic AND metal 2 screws top, and the same for screwed-on top.
also both with jet access in the bowl....

all "standard" are different and there is like 4568389047 version, the black edition are all the exact same.

this is the one motomode guy suggested me ( he do alot of those carb in 4 stroke scooter )

motomode.net/boutique/fr/dellorto/carburateur-universel-dellorto-phbg-19-dd-p273/?search=phbg&description=1

this is from dellorto france

www.dellorto.fr/fr/phbg/428-carburateur-phbg-19-ds-3760287730638.html

and another one, like motomode

www.rrd-preparation.com/fr/carburateur-18-19-19-5mm-minarelli-am6/1906-carburateur-dellorto-phbg-19-ds-starter-cable-souple-.html


i'm best going with the black edition ?

EDIT : important thing. the atomizer.
most dellorto comes with AN ( 4 stroke ) atomizer.
the black edition comes with the same atomizer ?
if it comes with 2 stroke atomizer ( AU ) it wont work properly. you can use AN on both, but cannot use AU on 4 stroke. way too rich idle mostly.

its easy to tell when you have it on hand, the AU ( 2 stroke ) atomizer have no holes around it, and AN ( 4 stroke ) have many holes around it.

need to know before i order. got a little surprise and i can afford the carb and pay back my friend that gave me about 300$ of parts for free ( he was done with this nightmare of a scooter and wanted to ride with me at all cost ).

[aeroxbud]

There are probably loads of different versions of this carb. Never seen one that isn't a screw top. But that's probably down to what the official importer wants to bring in.
They are not going to want to bring in every variation of each model. Financially it wouldn't make sense.

[br4inl3ss]

yup that makes sense.
all i want is to not be stuck with a carb i cant have the parts for if i break something.
so if its an old model, normally i dont care since older = better ( reliability wise ), but for a carb i prefer to have parts for.

think ill go for the black edition, this one have a single model. and scootertuning also confirmed its got the same atomizer, so its the 4 stroke AN. all good.
all metal no plastic.

[Lucass2T]

Jun 28, 2023 23:06:25 GMT -5 br4inl3ss said:

yup that makes sense.
all i want is to not be stuck with a carb i cant have the parts for if i break something.
so if its an old model, normally i dont care since older = better ( reliability wise ), but for a carb i prefer to have parts for.

think ill go for the black edition, this one have a single model. and scootertuning also confirmed its got the same atomizer, so its the 4 stroke AN. all good.
all metal no plastic.

PHBG parts are very common and widely available in basically all western countries.
All PHBG parts are interchangable, slides, needles, bowls, floats, jets, velocity stacks.
These carbs also come stock on the little 50cc KTM and Husqvarna dirtbikes. So if you have a dirtbike shop close you can get parts there.
 
There are 6 body styles:
- Screw top and 'old style' top. I prefer screw since it makes slide and needle changes easier. 
- Spigot intake (for rubber intake boots) and clamp intake (for alloy intakes). 99.9% of all scooters use a rubber intake boot. Old mopeds like Puch, Vespa, Zundapp, Kreidler etc use alloy intake.
- Threaded air filter side for screw on velocity stacks. Non threaded for OEM rubber airbox connection. Non threaded are suitable if you want to stick with the OEM airbox.