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Post by bvulic1 on Jul 26, 2023 11:51:33 GMT -5
I just purchased an Eton beamer matrix. I have had a few of these in the past however the issue I am having with this one is new to me. Electrical issues are my weakest point which is why I resorted to this forum for help. I purchased the scooter with the ignition missing, I purchased a new ignition set online and installed it. When the key is in the "on" position on the ignition, the scooter has no contact and all the lights are off as if the key is in the off position. When the key is in the "off" position on the ignition, everything is lit up and the scooter is able to be started. This whole thing seems like its swapped electrically. Issue with this is that you can obviously only pull the key out of the ignition in the off position. On this specific scooter, with the off being actually on, the key can be pulled out while the scooter is still running. Another thing to mention, when the horn is plugged in properly, it is constantly blaring if the scooters contact is on which also doesn't make much sense. I am hoping someone with some good electrical knowledge on these could help me and point me in the right direction. My guess is that the previous owner spliced some wires etc. however I do not know where to look. I have attached the wiring diagram for reference.  |
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Post by 190mech on Jul 26, 2023 16:39:58 GMT -5
Sounds lke you have an AC CDI ignition switch on a DC CDI scoot...
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Post by bvulic1 on Jul 26, 2023 20:41:56 GMT -5
Sounds lke you have an AC CDI ignition switch on a DC CDI scoot... You’re thinking the cdi is incorrect? Or the actual ignition switch set? Just for some background, the cdi is the original Eton cdi and the ignition switch set is a direct replacement. |
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Post by 190mech on Jul 27, 2023 5:28:58 GMT -5
Disconnect ig switch , jumper wire the red and brown wire,scoot should be powered up normally now..if so the ig switch is bad or improper type..if not powered up correctly then some wiring has been tampered with,, Good luck!
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Post by bvulic1 on Jul 27, 2023 9:08:38 GMT -5
Disconnect ig switch , jumper wire the red and brown wire,scoot should be powered up normally now..if so the ig switch is bad or improper type..if not powered up correctly then some wiring has been tampered with,, Good luck! Thank you for your help. I will try this soon and report back. In the meantime, I ordered a new ignition set from a different company. |
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Post by wiscootsin on Jul 27, 2023 9:27:59 GMT -5
on some cheap ignition key sets I have had to move wires around in the 4pin or 5pin harness so that they line up with the scooter. Did you verify the ignition function lines up to the wire harness color codes correctly?
That would be my guess for you. If you haven't done it, all you need is something like a pick tool to release metal pins from the plastic connector.
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Post by bvulic1 on Jul 27, 2023 15:06:51 GMT -5
on some cheap ignition key sets I have had to move wires around in the 4pin or 5pin harness so that they line up with the scooter. Did you verify the ignition function lines up to the wire harness color codes correctly? That would be my guess for you. If you haven't done it, all you need is something like a pick tool to release metal pins from the plastic connector. Thank you for your input. This is a great point as I am not confident they line up correctly. I will cross check this with another Eton and get back to you with the results. Chances are this is a cheap replacement ignition unit and that may be causing my issues. I noticed the horn constantly blaring is due to a stuck horn button on the handlebars, I have disregarded that issue for now. |
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Post by bvulic1 on Jul 27, 2023 23:21:40 GMT -5
on some cheap ignition key sets I have had to move wires around in the 4pin or 5pin harness so that they line up with the scooter. Did you verify the ignition function lines up to the wire harness color codes correctly? That would be my guess for you. If you haven't done it, all you need is something like a pick tool to release metal pins from the plastic connector. Upon some further inspection, from the ignition switch plug I have red lining up with gray, green lining up with brown and b/w lining up with red. The “with” colors above are from the wiring harness plug. Anything look off with this? |
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Post by wiscootsin on Jul 29, 2023 23:13:17 GMT -5
yea that's your problem. "on" position is when red to brown is connected. So you want the solid black on your ignition going to brown and the red going to red. you probably want green to black. b/w to gray. ignition side scooter wire harnes black brown red red green black black/white gray
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Post by snaker on Jul 30, 2023 10:11:57 GMT -5
So, at this point, is a multi meter out of the question?
Of all the unreliable scooter wire color situations, this one would be near the top of the list.
Plus, from looking at the diagram on here, the switch seems a bit oddball.
What I see is:
nothing jumped in off
rd to bwn jumped in lock
rd to blk jumped in on
(those colors would be the chassis harness wires, not the switch wire colors)
Going by the diagram, connectors matching wire colors should be:
(switch pigtail to chassis harness)
bwn to blk
rd to rd
gray to bwn
blk to gray
The colors of the your replacement switch may or may not match
A meter would quickly verify
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Post by snaker on Jul 30, 2023 10:15:52 GMT -5
Disconnect ig switch , jumper wire the red and brown wire,scoot should be powered up normally now..if so the ig switch is bad or improper type..if not powered up correctly then some wiring has been tampered with,, Good luck! Looks like jumpering red and bwn would do the "lock" function, what ever that would entail. jumpering red and blk would do the "on" function |
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Post by bvulic1 on Jul 31, 2023 22:36:43 GMT -5
I'd like to thank you all personally for helping me out with this. I ended up purchasing an oem ignition switch for $50 which was a much better quality replacement and the wires lines up properly out of the box. I am however going to take your advice and rewire the other replacement harness and will hopefully have an extra on hand for future projects.
Thank you once again. Couldn't have done it without you.
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Post by wiscootsin on Aug 1, 2023 8:44:43 GMT -5
So, at this point, is a multi meter out of the question? Of all the unreliable scooter wire color situations, this one would be near the top of the list. Plus, from looking at the diagram on here, the switch seems a bit oddball. What I see is: nothing jumped in off rd to bwn jumped in lock rd to blk jumped in on (those colors would be the chassis harness wires, not the switch wire colors) Going by the diagram, connectors matching wire colors should be: (switch pigtail to chassis harness) bwn to blk rd to rd gray to bwn blk to gray The colors of the your replacement switch may or may not match A meter would quickly verify The diagram is pretty dumb and hard to read so you got the wiring to the switch wrong. Just so everyone knows not to read this post and think it's right. I have it correct above. |
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Post by junglejim on Sept 15, 2023 0:03:45 GMT -5
I just wanted to say I recently had the same problem. Some companies are selling these ignition switches specifically for the Eton Beamer, but they are incorrect. You can't fix it by moving the pins around. The switch is setup differently internally. The factory switch has no continuity with the key off, then connects two wires(continuity) when you turn the key on, powering the scooter electrical. The aftermarket switch has continuity with the key off, then cuts continuity when you turn the key on. As you found, this means as soon as you plug the switch in, even with no key, the scooter powers on.
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Post by snaker on Sept 15, 2023 9:15:25 GMT -5
I just wanted to say I recently had the same problem. Some companies are selling these ignition switches specifically for the Eton Beamer, but they are incorrect. You can't fix it by moving the pins around. The switch is setup differently internally. The factory switch has no continuity with the key off, then connects two wires(continuity) when you turn the key on, powering the scooter electrical. The aftermarket switch has continuity with the key off, then cuts continuity when you turn the key on. As you found, this means as soon as you plug the switch in, even with no key, the scooter powers on. What your describing here follows with what 190mech mentioned DC ignition needs a "automotive" style switch. On: contacts closed to apply 12v to ign Off: " " open to remove power AC ign On: contacts open to allow ign power Off: " " closed to ground out the AC signal Your diagram shows a DC ign |
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