Tao Tao Speedy 50 8 pole to 11 pole stator conversion?

[chris23413]

Hello all,

I am fairly new here, so forgive me if this is the wrong section to post in. Like the title says, I am looking into doing a stator "Upgrade" of sorts on my 2015 Tao Tao speedy 50 with the QMB139 motor. I have seen a lot of posts online about doing an 8 pole to 11 pole conversion on 125/ 150cc GY6 equipped scooters, but nothing for the 50cc models. Is this even possible, or am I just wasting my time? I would like some extra juice output from the stator to maintain the battery @13 volts or run any heated accessories/ lighting that I may get in future. the stock 8 pole is very inefficient and just barely maintains 12.3v at idle.

[snaker]

That's a complicated thing.
Your going to have to run into someone who has done that exact mod to that exact machine'
Or your going to have to jump in and report on your success or failure.

So did your 50 come stock with a 8 pole?
That seems rare on its own.
Seems that a 8 would already be a mod for the 50's
You can only step up the number of poles to the stock flywheel magnets to a point before it becomes non compatible

Usually the mod for 50's is to reconfigure from a half-wave to a full-wave setup
That requires a new RR and some wiring change
But it will give a boost in electrical capacity
Might want to see where your at in that area

[br4inl3ss]

first, its a 139QMB not QMB139 ok i shut up.

yes its possible and mostly easy if you can use your hands. harder if you are a office worker type ( or you are like Rolling Bender and do both perfectly, but thats rare )

you are wasting your time 80% of the time.
i also did the swap beleiving the crap they spread.

yes it help alot, IF you put over abusive load on the electrical system after 3k rpm. like 10 halogen bulbs, heating gloves and boots, radio with 467890 speakers, and dual h4 halogen bulb. idle is still NOT charging at all, up to 2800 rpm ( depending no stator quality ).

in normal use, its a total waste of time. the stock 8 pole stator got enought juice to power everything DECENT you throw at it. its true the idle charging sucks, but even a 11 pole upgrade doesnt change anything there.

if you need ot over abuse the electrical system and is aware that idle charging wont change at all, here what you need.

11 pole stator.
6 or 7 wire regulator/rectifier ( 7 wire way harder to find ) ( 7th wire is white and used for auto-enricher and is unregulated DC up to 90v ).
yellow wires ( lenght according to scooter size and how good of a job you do ). or the proper wiring harness but $$$ ( mine was for a TANK scooter. dont ask i have no idea wtf is a Tank scooter ).
you keep rotor/flywheel if you had the 8 pole ( and i think you do ). if you had 7 pole crap, you need a non weirdo flywheel aka 8 pole.
7 pole is different, 8 and 11 pole flywheel are the same.

its true that it can charge better at idle with this upgrade.. but what they dont tell you is that you must crank your idle speed to 2800 or so, thats not idle anymore and way too much for absolutly no reason. not "bad" per say, just nosense.

of yeah you can put more load on the electrical system before the rpm drop ( at idle ) but you aint gaining anything else.

you're wasting your time doing this unless you want to over abuse with useless electric stuff.
better go the bright way ( sorry for the word game hehe ) and put LED everywhere instead of 1800' disgusting non secure outdated unreliable incandescent light bulbs.

some led are AC compatible, but its way better to run them DC on battery ( very very easy ). for the headlight nothing beats a separate on/off switch so when warming up or working on it while running you dont drain the battery. ( keep in mind in stock form, incandescent light bulbs on AC also put load on the stator, reducing the charging effectiveness ).

if you go this GOOD route, i cannot tell wire color because LIFE ( i had 3 identical car, none had the proper wire color according tos ervice manual... worse for bike like kawa and honda ) but a general guidance.

open the left controls on the handlebar and unplug AC wire ( you gotta find out... on 4 scooter they were different color ) and then run a wire from the black KEYED switch from ignition switch and plug it there instead. DONE. DC headlight. i suggest using a relay tho. do the same for front running light.
for the tail light its a but more complicated since there is both AC and DC. brake is on DC, running light is AC. all in a single bulb. so follow the AC wire of the running light on the tail light to the front. unplug this wire from whatever its connected to and plug it on the same black wire we talked previously.

voila the only AC still used is for auto enricher, so way less load. and if you went LED everywhere, you end up with a way better gains than upgrading to 11 pole, and its almost free. yeah you have to buy LEDs.... but you probably have to change those horrible incandescent light bulbs that are always burnt anyway. if your old bulbs were fine, then its still way cheaper than the upgrade and easier.

sorry my english is bad and the way i explain shits is even worse.