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Post by Fox on Jan 17, 2012 22:33:15 GMT -5
do you have a diagram for it? Not sure if you mean a diagram for the entire scooter or the reg. but I would answer no to both. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2012 22:55:25 GMT -5
the entire electrical system is what i meant. It has 2 hot wires touching somewhere or a wire crossed...or both.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2012 23:00:18 GMT -5
so its not a new out of the crate bike...its been on the road and has miles on it right? anyone else been messing with the electricals before you? was it running when you got it? melted plugs...blown lights....i bet it has 2 hot wires touching or a hot wire touching a ground wire...or both...or something totally crossed.
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Post by Fox on Jan 17, 2012 23:11:36 GMT -5
You may be right. I only went through the main wiring harness but I didn't tear apart the dashboard harness. maybe there's a crossed wire/short in there somewhere. I put my volt meter on the headlight plug and I get 5.8-6 volts DC now that I installed a new stator. The reading was 19-20 volts DC with the old stator. I guess I'll go through the dashboard harness while I wait for the new reg's. Thanks for taking an interest and trying to help me.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2012 23:13:07 GMT -5
Diodes can be used as rectifiers, signal limiters, voltage regulators, switches, signal modulators, signal mixers, signal demodulators, and oscillators.
The fundamental property of a diode is its tendency to conduct electric current in only one direction.searchcio-midmarket.techtarget.com/definition/diodeBut anyway last time i saw melted plugs like that the bike had a hot wire touching a black ground wire.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2012 6:31:45 GMT -5
Dont let electrical issues get you down on your own ability. Nobody knows everything there is to know about how electricity is going to behave in every million different situations. Electricity does crazy stuff. I know a man who has been working with electricity for 45 years and even he gets stymied on what it does. He is very methodical in is approach to diagnosing it which makes him in my view an expert in that he knows thats how you have to be to find the problem.....but when there is a problem not even he can say 'its this or that' from just looking at the evidence.
I had a '67 VW once that the fuse block had worked its way over to where the top of one of the corner fuses was touching ground....it burned the insulation off the wire on that circuit and filled the car with smoke lol I had to stop and get out im lucky the whole car didnt catch fire. It was something to do with the ignition switch because we had to wire a seperate on/off switch for the ignition and mounted it inside the glove box. I was only 17 at the time. It made the fuse glow red but not actually blow. It was then that I learned melted stuff usually means a hot is touching ground.
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Post by Goosey on Jan 18, 2012 9:41:14 GMT -5
:2cents: In my experience, not as an authority on the subject, it is not common for the problem to be in the harness itself, but in a part, or connection. The Baron, about 3 weaks after I got her she blew the fuse. After many hours of inspecting the harness wires and connectors to track the problem, I decided to eliminate parts by disconnecting one at a time. It came down to the speedometer, which after taking it apart, had a cracked insulation on the hot wire inside, allowing the hot and ground wires to touch where the wires were screwed on inside the guage. I had a primative method of blowing fuses til they stopped, but testing with the proper equipment would be good too I think I stared at the scooter several minutes a day for a month till I came up with that. It was also my first experience with scooter failure, and finding out that no, the Honda repair shop wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole, and that Baron, was not good at returning calls. :zap2: |
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Post by Fox on Jan 19, 2012 10:39:18 GMT -5
Well, I think my electrical problem is solved. I found a parts scoot on CL for $50  inlandempire.craigslist.org/mcy/2802996945.htmlmoped - $50 (murrieta)moped scooter 50..00 no title good for parts or restore. needs electrical work   It should have everything I need on it. Fingers crossed. |
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Post by 90GTVert on Jan 19, 2012 11:46:51 GMT -5
Seems like it's hard to go wrong with that, but since it needs electrical work it's hard to say it'll solve all your problems here.
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Post by Fox on Jan 19, 2012 15:17:13 GMT -5
Seems like it's hard to go wrong with that, but since it needs electrical work it's hard to say it'll solve all your problems here. Yeah I am hoping it's just a minor problem. Still, even if it doesn't solve my current problem at $50 I still came out ahead. I can sell one wheel alone for that. |
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Post by Fox on Jan 19, 2012 20:50:09 GMT -5
Success! Swapped out the wiring harness and stator since the plug connectors were different and the entire instrument panel and the damn thing works. The only problem was there was no tail lights so I tapped into the auto enrigher circuit and ran a hot to the rear and they come on when the engine starts. Battery charging at 14.5 volts. Lights all work properly and bright. Next time I run into a similar problem I'm going to pass on it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2012 22:09:48 GMT -5
OH..so you took the entire harness and stator off of the $50 bike to put on bike 1 and bike 1 now is fixed. wow cool you can get your money back off the wheels alone from bike 2. well done. only nag i have is what was up with the electrical but..if you are happy i am too |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2012 22:11:49 GMT -5
that seat is worth $100 even if it has rips in it those are hard as hell to find.
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Post by Fox on Jan 19, 2012 22:39:50 GMT -5
The seat is in great shape. I actually got the engine to start on the $50 scooter before I removed the wiring. They had jury-rigged a faulty starter relay with a switch under the seat and their wiring job fried the main hot lead between the battery and the relay and both main ground cables were cooked too. I had to spin it with a drill motor. The starter tried to spin it but it must be going bad. Anyway, I have a running 150cc engine and wheels, brakes, exhaust, seat etc... I can sell now. $$$
As for the initial problem, probably a bad regulator and the two I tried weren't the correct relay. Honestly I really don't care anymore.
Thanks again for the helpful info and suggestions. I really appreciate it. :thumb:
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