Triton # 2 (T2) 49cc to 110cc & Nearly Everywhere In Between
Jul 14, 2018 19:45:35 GMT -5
190mech, 'O'Verse, and 3 more like this
Post by 90GTVert on Jul 14, 2018 19:45:35 GMT -5
I went out around 6:30-7:00 this morning and buttoned up some things and filled oil bottles and so on and left for the beach at 7:40AM. It was in the 70s and I rode the first 8 miles cruising 55-60MPH. Coolant temps stayed between 128-130F. I went through a town without stops and it was 117-120F. As the sun came out more it warmed up a few degrees cruising 1/2 throttle or above. I think it helped swapping the hoses how they should be, but I don't think it's a huge difference.
About 25-26 miles in, it wanted to top out at 55MPH or a little less. Around 27 miles, the belt broke. I pushed it about 1/4-1/2 mile down a side road to some railroad tracks where there was a little shade and gravel so I didn't have to sit in wet grass.
The railroad crossing was directly across from a house where 3 guys and a woman were working on a truck outside and something else in a shed. I only had a little allen wrench so the cover bolts were a pain. I heard one guy say, "should we see if he needs something" and then someone else say "na". Damn. Could have really used a real allen tool to speed things up. Oh well. They were hammering like crazy on something in the cabin of a Mazda B3000, which happens to be the same truck I've driven and worked on for 16 years. I thought if they asked and I could use an allen I'd see if I could do anything to help whatever horrible thing they were doing to their truck, but both of our luck was no good. With a small hammer and the key, I got the cover off.
I took the variator off and cleaned out the chunks and fluff that used to be a belt. Then I tried to clean out the rear pulley. I spent a while on that, but just couldn't get one strand wrapped in the center of it out. I also noticed that the pulley was rubbing the cases in one raised spot and looked out of round or bent or something. I knew the belt strands would keep the pulley from closing, but figured maybe I could limp it home. I wasn't worried about the pulley because I figured it was screwed already and I thought it would probably just rub the one high spot which sometimes I cut away for OR kits anyway.
I got it back together and fired it up and all of the people across the street that weren't outside popped their heads out to see what was up. "Go back to beating your Mazda to death", I thought.
I could immediately tell it sucked because it was starting in 3rd gear so to speak. Oh well, I could deal with that. Then, by the time as was near the end of this 1/4-1/2 mile distance to the road that I was originally on, it was bogging and dying like it was stuck in high gear or something. Crap.
As I stood at the stop sign waiting to push it across the road and see where else I could find to work on it, 2 scooters went by. An older couple with no gear at all that I think waved as they passed 2ft in front of me and kept on their way. I pushed up the road a little to a bait shop and parked there. Popped the cover off and the rear pulley was now jammed against the case.
I've never had that suddenly happen, so I didn't really know what was going on. Maybe the pulley bent really bad or something had gone very wrong. Whatever it was, I didn't even mess with it because I knew it was not something I could fix on the roadside with the tools I had. I called for a ride home in the truck.
Off-topic, but passing through Seaford, DE we saw a bunch of rafts on the river because of an event there. Stopped to check it out for a few. Someone had created a floating bar, complete with beer and a BBQ grill. They were yelling at other rafts and getting them to dock their rafts on their bar float. Pretty funny.
Back on topic, I checked it out at home. Found something I've never seen before. I somehow managed to rip the fixed half of the rear pulley apart. The torque driver still moved nice and smooth and the bearings weren't shot, but as you can see the pulley was done for.
You can see where it started to dig into the case a little.
Very luckily, about a month ago I saw that hellish100 was selling his OR kit that wasn't used for any more than assembly basically. It was a really good price and I picked it up even though I didn't want to spend the cash at the time. It has the aluminum rear pulley.
I cleaned the cases and cleaned and greased the new pulley and installed the new belt and vari as well.
When I cleaned the CVT cover, a little brake cleaner ran out to the outside and took off the paint. I'm really disappointed with the DupliColor Wheel Paint. It's the same product that I used to paint T2 years ago. The last time I didn't do as good of a prep job and it still held up fairly well. This time, if I get gas or any chemical on it, the paint comes right off. It even came off quickly where my feet touch the frame by the pegs. I'm not sure if it's a change to comply with some eco-BS or what, but everything I painted with it is doing this.
I went with the same 9.25g sliders and contra spring that I was using and hoped I'd get lucky and that would work, though I doubted it.
Nope. Way too rev happy like that. It was revving way up by 40-ish. I swapped to 11g sliders and it took off well, but it was done by 50-55MPH and felt like I needed to shift gears.
I quit at that point. I think I may need to swap groove sets in the torque driver. On quick test runs, I think it was pretty similar to temps I would have seen before with the hoses wrong. I'll know more if I ever get it out for a real ride again with hot temps.
At least the bright side of all of this is that I'm finding new and different ways to fail. I'm not really sure if the pulley was failing and the belt went or the belt did something to the pulley when it blew apart. Trying to ride it with the strand left in the pulley probably didn't help anything, but since it was already rubbing the case I think something was already messed up. Couldn't really see much in there with the strand of belt and I would have never thought to look for signs of a pulley coming apart anyway.
About 25-26 miles in, it wanted to top out at 55MPH or a little less. Around 27 miles, the belt broke. I pushed it about 1/4-1/2 mile down a side road to some railroad tracks where there was a little shade and gravel so I didn't have to sit in wet grass.
The railroad crossing was directly across from a house where 3 guys and a woman were working on a truck outside and something else in a shed. I only had a little allen wrench so the cover bolts were a pain. I heard one guy say, "should we see if he needs something" and then someone else say "na". Damn. Could have really used a real allen tool to speed things up. Oh well. They were hammering like crazy on something in the cabin of a Mazda B3000, which happens to be the same truck I've driven and worked on for 16 years. I thought if they asked and I could use an allen I'd see if I could do anything to help whatever horrible thing they were doing to their truck, but both of our luck was no good. With a small hammer and the key, I got the cover off.
I took the variator off and cleaned out the chunks and fluff that used to be a belt. Then I tried to clean out the rear pulley. I spent a while on that, but just couldn't get one strand wrapped in the center of it out. I also noticed that the pulley was rubbing the cases in one raised spot and looked out of round or bent or something. I knew the belt strands would keep the pulley from closing, but figured maybe I could limp it home. I wasn't worried about the pulley because I figured it was screwed already and I thought it would probably just rub the one high spot which sometimes I cut away for OR kits anyway.
I got it back together and fired it up and all of the people across the street that weren't outside popped their heads out to see what was up. "Go back to beating your Mazda to death", I thought.
I could immediately tell it sucked because it was starting in 3rd gear so to speak. Oh well, I could deal with that. Then, by the time as was near the end of this 1/4-1/2 mile distance to the road that I was originally on, it was bogging and dying like it was stuck in high gear or something. Crap.
As I stood at the stop sign waiting to push it across the road and see where else I could find to work on it, 2 scooters went by. An older couple with no gear at all that I think waved as they passed 2ft in front of me and kept on their way. I pushed up the road a little to a bait shop and parked there. Popped the cover off and the rear pulley was now jammed against the case.
I've never had that suddenly happen, so I didn't really know what was going on. Maybe the pulley bent really bad or something had gone very wrong. Whatever it was, I didn't even mess with it because I knew it was not something I could fix on the roadside with the tools I had. I called for a ride home in the truck.
Off-topic, but passing through Seaford, DE we saw a bunch of rafts on the river because of an event there. Stopped to check it out for a few. Someone had created a floating bar, complete with beer and a BBQ grill. They were yelling at other rafts and getting them to dock their rafts on their bar float. Pretty funny.
Back on topic, I checked it out at home. Found something I've never seen before. I somehow managed to rip the fixed half of the rear pulley apart. The torque driver still moved nice and smooth and the bearings weren't shot, but as you can see the pulley was done for.
You can see where it started to dig into the case a little.
Very luckily, about a month ago I saw that hellish100 was selling his OR kit that wasn't used for any more than assembly basically. It was a really good price and I picked it up even though I didn't want to spend the cash at the time. It has the aluminum rear pulley.
I cleaned the cases and cleaned and greased the new pulley and installed the new belt and vari as well.
When I cleaned the CVT cover, a little brake cleaner ran out to the outside and took off the paint. I'm really disappointed with the DupliColor Wheel Paint. It's the same product that I used to paint T2 years ago. The last time I didn't do as good of a prep job and it still held up fairly well. This time, if I get gas or any chemical on it, the paint comes right off. It even came off quickly where my feet touch the frame by the pegs. I'm not sure if it's a change to comply with some eco-BS or what, but everything I painted with it is doing this.
I went with the same 9.25g sliders and contra spring that I was using and hoped I'd get lucky and that would work, though I doubted it.
Nope. Way too rev happy like that. It was revving way up by 40-ish. I swapped to 11g sliders and it took off well, but it was done by 50-55MPH and felt like I needed to shift gears.
I quit at that point. I think I may need to swap groove sets in the torque driver. On quick test runs, I think it was pretty similar to temps I would have seen before with the hoses wrong. I'll know more if I ever get it out for a real ride again with hot temps.
At least the bright side of all of this is that I'm finding new and different ways to fail. I'm not really sure if the pulley was failing and the belt went or the belt did something to the pulley when it blew apart. Trying to ride it with the strand left in the pulley probably didn't help anything, but since it was already rubbing the case I think something was already messed up. Couldn't really see much in there with the strand of belt and I would have never thought to look for signs of a pulley coming apart anyway.