Triton # 2 (T2) 49cc to 110cc & Nearly Everywhere In Between

[90GTVert]

I was sitting in the floor yesterday trying out variators and shims with the old and new belt on both ends of travel. That's why I said it works in mock up, but not in practice. I mean, it works... but it doesn't improve. My problem is my absolute favorite thing is catching another scoot at a red light. I really should have my 0.5mm spacer in there for that, but it'll wear fast enough. Since I have other bosses, I may stick one in the lathe and knock a mm off sometime and see what it does for speed. I don't think I've ever seen more than low 60s from this, but I think it has enough power to go faster. Prob not a lot. Would be nice to put T2 higher than 61MPH on the speed list. Short boss and heavier sliders would prob tell me if I'm right on that. I miss the 10:1 gearing (now 11:1) for speed, but don't miss the play in the primary drive shaft. T1 was about 5MPH faster regularly when it had a good 103 with a Peace pipe and a calculator says 10.1 vs 11.2 gears should be about 5MPH.

[90GTVert]

Updated the post on the last page with pics of the modded vari face and the tire wear. I was over it when posting yesterday.




Went to get a scoot tag this morning and broke down. It ran real rough leaving the house. Could not get it to take any throttle to warm up and clear out. Eventually died twice. Pulled over and swapped the plug and it ran well for the remainder of the hour or so.




Actually ran better than I thought it would. It seems that after going back to the W3 needle, but keeping the 98 main jet, I can use the middle of my throttle without it breaking up or crackling. Kinda nice.

One plus of the new full width belt and no spacer in the vari is that I can take off easy without it getting the revs up. I'd say it's more incognito, but people notice me more than ever since T2's LC rebirth. I'm not fooling anyone into thinking it's near stock regardless of how it runs. Doesn't mean I won't still tell people it's stock if they ask.


I kept forgetting to post this, but finally remembered. Anyone else with a pipe with a flange that's separate and a spring holding it have it come apart on abrupt bumps and get loud? Not sure if I should be trying to add more springs (1 now) or find something stiffer or if this is just par for the course. Doesn't do it on all bumps, just the sharp ones. Scared the crap outta me on a couple occasions riding along not expecting it and it's like a duck mixed with big rig's horn is suddenly under you.

[Lucass2T]

Jul 29, 2018 11:00:29 GMT -5 90GTVert said:

I kept forgetting to post this, but finally remembered. Anyone else with a pipe with a flange that's separate and a spring holding it have it come apart on abrupt bumps and get loud? Not sure if I should be trying to add more springs (1 now) or find something stiffer or if this is just par for the course. Doesn't do it on all bumps, just the sharp ones. Scared the crap outta me on a couple occasions riding along not expecting it and it's like a duck mixed with big rig's horn is suddenly under you.

Hehe nice description, duck and a big rig's horn haha!

But you'll def need more springs and maybe tighter ones. Every exhaust with seperate flange i ever mounted had two springs. There are generally so tight they no way can come loose from a bump in the road. My metrakit SP pipe had two stiff springs, same goes for the Yasuni c16 and TJT gruppo B. You have to pull like a maniac and be sitting in a very uncomming position to get to come loose from the flange.
The cr500 has three springs. Those are so stiff its not even possible to pull the pipe away from the flange if you'd grab it and pulled it.

[90GTVert]

Thanks Lucass2T.



I put the older OR drive boss in the lathe and took it down to 43mm long, from 45mm long. Upped the sliders to 11g from 10g. Installed that, adding 2mm of spacers outside of the vari to keep the spacing right. That sucker was relaxed. I was at 50MPH before it was trying to get on the pipe just cruising. I thought I had some speed.

I was wrong. It pulled to 62MPH on flat ground and still didn't sound like it was revving enough so I let out. I did notice cruise temps were a little higher than normal, I would assume from the load of the drive ratio. Good news there is that I made use of it and rolled in and out of the throttle slowly and didn't really hear any spark knock. Kinda like putting a car with a manual in high gear and making it lug to see if it can take timing.


Went back home and added a 1mm spacer to the boss and then took off 1mm of spacing on the crank. That put it back closer to the normal feel, but lower revs. Pretty unsuccessful. I made it to 64.3MPH on GPS, 63.6MPH on my speedo. Not enough for me to bother with a speed list entry. That time it was back to being wound out. I don't care enough to fool around with that anymore. I still think it's capable of at least 65. I mean, I was cruising with 10g and the regular boss at 58-60MPH for miles earlier today, sitting up. Actually backed out to 3/4 throttle for 58MPH at one point. Gotta be CVT and gear related. I've seen this speed while sitting up with just a light breeze, but that may have been with the steel pulley. Not sure.

Maybe backing the timing out a little could help it pull more up top? Again, don't think I care enough ATM for that. Prob only worth much work if I were willing to swap back to 10.1:1 gears and tear up some more PDS bearings.


Oh well. Interesting to try. I still had a good time. I laughed when some SUV with a guy and his son pulled up beside me. I was on the shoulder doing 40 in a 50, because I had just went through a 30MPH zone where a cop was doing RADAR and didn't want to take a chance just yet. I stuck at my speed and they matched it for a few and then sped up. When they sped up to about 55MPH, I came up behind them and cruised with them. What, did you think this was a hopped up 4T?

Then on the way home I came out of town and passed one car, pulled back in, and then pulled right back out and passed the car in front of him while giggling. It's funny how I can ride fast on the TMAX and it's fun but feels like how it should be and then on T2 I'm doing 58 passing cars and laughing.

[ryan_ott]

I’ve never had my pipes quack at me, you need some stiffer springs. Hardware store or treatland has a selection of them.

[aeroxbud]

That pipe getting louder is funny when you realize what it is.
Never had one in that style without two springs. The one spring must be flexing just enough on the bumps to let the gases escape.

When I brought my first Yasuni pipe, because we drive on the wrong side of the road. Under full throttle the sound waves used to bounce back off of cars going the other way. Sounded like that!

[Lucass2T]

Jul 29, 2018 18:36:15 GMT -5 90GTVert said:

It's funny how I can ride fast on the TMAX and it's fun but feels like how it should be and then on T2 I'm doing 58 passing cars and laughing.

This is why i might like riding fast scooters and moped even better than riding motorcycles. And you can't really compare it or tell someone with a souped up moped to 'just buy a motorcycle'. It doesnt work like that, at least not for me.

[90GTVert]

I finally remembered to email Trail Tech today to ask about my temp display always being on 222 or --- on the Vapor even though sensors work with the TTO. Here's the reply.

"This sounds as though the temp receiver on the board of the meter is not functioning. The only thing to do for this would be to replace the meter."

[ryan_ott]

I’d ask if they could offer a discount for a replacement of their product which failed prematurely.

[2strokd]

Ive been doing some catching up, great build Brent!

[90GTVert]

Jul 30, 2018 21:48:03 GMT -5 ryan_ott said:

I’d ask if they could offer a discount for a replacement of their product which failed prematurely.

Thanks. That worked well.

"I would be happy to offer you a new Vapor computer at a discounted cost. They are normally $69.95 but I can offer you one for $45.00"

[ryan_ott]

Before any decent purchases I’ll send an email and ask. I’ve only come across 1 place that won’t offer discounts but I’ve gotten between 5-15% just for asking. Partzilla never has any promo codes

[90GTVert]

I may have to rethink not wanting to move to a hotter plug. Fouled another today. I was just tooling around looking for hay bales for scoot tag. 40-50MPH, but RPM lower and mid throttle because I haven't switched back to the normal boss and sliders yet. It started breaking up 10 miles in like that. I got on it and it cleared out so I stayed in it more often and it ran fine. Got stuck at a stop sign waiting for traffic about 1.5 miles from home and that about finished it off. Sputtered and ran 25-30MPH home WOT and finally died just as I got it in the garage.


Mid throttle is still probably quite rich, since it was the swap from a 100 to 98 main that let me use it without stumbling so riding in that area with the lower revs plus the humidity that continues aren't likely helping. I'm guessing this is telling me that liquid cooling is doing a better job, because I've only ever fouled maybe a couple of plugs before going to LC and I'm sure I've ran rich before.

[190mech]

When they start fouling plugs when the motor is warm,the iggy is telling you its 'gonna crap the bed' soon.Seen that a lot back in the MX days,,mostly it was CDI failure,rarely pulse, exciter,sometimes ign coils..

[90GTVert]

I had the same thought. Then I wondered if there would be merit in the increased plug cooling or not, because the plug is in a cooler head. I really hope you're wrong, but you usually aren't.

Just checked an AC Zuma service manual and an LC Aerox owner's manual, wondering if maybe they specified a hotter plug for the LC engine. Turns out the Aerox is an 8 series and the Zuma is a 7 series NGK stock. Bass ackwards of my expectation.