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Post by 2strokd on Aug 19, 2009 8:26:12 GMT -5
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Post by 90GTVert on Aug 19, 2009 9:04:06 GMT -5
Pretty cool. So is that a street legal scooter there? That wouldn't be legal here in MD. I want a scooter with that engine platform pretty bad, but I can't seem to fnd anything other than actual mopeds. That one should be a 4 speed semi-auto transmission. You've driven it so you'd know better than me, but I don't see a clutch cable running into the side cover like the full manual version has. Those engines came in full auto, semi-auto (shifting without a clutch), and full manual. Pretty much all of them are 4 speeds and can be 1Down3Up, 4Down(or 4Up), or rotary (N-1-2-3-4-N....). I haven't messed with one for a little while so there may be 5 speeds out there now, but the only 5 speeds used to be the ones modified by their owners with aftermarket 5 speed kits.
I really doubt it's a timing issue inside the engine, but if you did decide to check you can see without a lot of work on those engines. I can't see it in your pics, but on the left side of the engine (if you are sitting on the bike) there is a cover that can be removed that would let you see the cam sprocket so you could just line it up to the T on the flywheel (there is sometimes a little port or window for that too) and see if your cam sprocket is in the correct position. There are paper gaskets under there though, so unless you run of out of options you may wanna leave that alone.
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Post by 2strokd on Aug 19, 2009 9:36:59 GMT -5
Not legal here w/out an endorsement because it has gears that require you to shift. Its an auto clutched 4 speed, 4 down to upshift.
I messed around with it a bit and all i did was pull the plug, saw that it was wet so i let it dry up and cleaned it, put it back in and she fired right up. It runs good, the timing is fine, all it needs is some carb cleaning and maybe a jet, i will know after i clean the carb. I need to talk with the owner first but it also needs the chain tightened, a new throttle, and some shifter linkage adjustments and hes good to go ;D.
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Post by 2strokd on Aug 19, 2009 9:37:51 GMT -5
What about that mint 93 Razz??? Nobody even noticed...lol j/k
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Post by 90GTVert on Aug 19, 2009 10:39:32 GMT -5
Wonder why they stuck a 49cc in something that needs a motorcycle license? A 125cc would bolt right in and cruise 50+ pretty easy with the right sprockets.
I noticed the Razz but the chopper caught my attention the most. So what's up with the Razz?
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Post by 2strokd on Aug 19, 2009 11:52:10 GMT -5
The Razz is a surviver, its got 5,000 miles on it, all original. Runs good for a stock (geardriven) Razz. I got it 31mph tucked  . I was j/k about it earlier. The airfilter dried up and sucked into the carb  . After a good cleaning and a new filter she runs like a champ. This thing starts so well i dont even think my finger has hit the button yet and shes perrrnn away very very quietly. Its just cool for me to see one, brings back some good memories. I used to date a girl back when i was 14-15 that had a Razz just like this one. We used to ride 2 up on that thing every were we went  . Now that i see how small these thing really are compared to Skeedr (witch is not that big either) i dont see how we did it lol. Thats a good question about the 49 in the copper. If you look real close in the pic you can see the top motor mount has been cut. Makes me wonder if there wasnt a bigger motor in it at one point. It would be easy to put one in though. I guess this guy is selling it(or talked about it) for $200. I think its worth that the way it sits for sure  |
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Post by 90GTVert on Aug 19, 2009 12:47:22 GMT -5
The engine mounts for 49, 70, 90, 110, 125, etc... should all be the same. I have had a 49cc and 110cc engine in my cateye and never changed the engine mounts (other than fabbing them to fit the first engine of that style). The only difference is that the longer stroke of the larger motors extends the cylinder and therefor the head out farther. It doesn't look like that thing would have frame clearance problems though.
It looks like it's worth $200, but then again it's a chopper that needs an M endorsement. It's not gonna handle even as well as a decent scooter and it's gonna need a new engine to be comfortable even cruising at 50MPH. Around here, you'd get hassled by the cops for soemthing that small... if you ever got it through inspection in the first place. If you drove it like a scooter they'd want you to tag it like a motorcycle... and so on. That's what I went through just trying to tag a 70cc scooter. It's not a scooter, it's not a motorcycle, it's just a headache. Now all of my scooter are 49cc if anyone with a badge asks.
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Post by Enviromoto on Aug 19, 2009 16:26:41 GMT -5
Pretty cool project but I wouldnt consider either one of them more than campsite toys.
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Post by 2strokd on Aug 19, 2009 16:53:31 GMT -5
Pretty cool project but I wouldnt consider either one of them more than campsite toys. Right  , just repairs thats all. Just figured i would share with my gearhead buds . After riding the chopper a little i think it would be cool with a suicide shifter and some other touch ups. It would be cool for shows and camping thats about. I havent left my block in a pretty closed neighborhood |
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Post by silverspar1 on Aug 19, 2009 21:57:44 GMT -5
That Razz is in really good condition cosmetically. Aren't those things chain driven?? You've been getting quite a few repair jobs lately, you must be doing a good job.
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Post by Enviromoto on Aug 19, 2009 23:09:21 GMT -5
Yea thats what they make the kicker 5150 for right? Small displacement cool custom chopper nick nacks. Cheap good times.
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Post by 2strokd on Aug 20, 2009 7:34:23 GMT -5
Thats about it . It is cool to ride but at the same time its illegal to ride w/out endorsement around here, not to mention how bad my back would feel by the time i got across town on it  |
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Post by 2strokd on Aug 26, 2009 10:52:49 GMT -5
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Post by 90GTVert on Aug 26, 2009 11:16:12 GMT -5
That's one beefy mini chopper. That engine prob has a very fitting sound too.
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Post by 2strokd on Aug 26, 2009 13:51:49 GMT -5
I like the fact that its got a CVT. I have a sled that ive been thinking about pulling the motor and CVT from and parting out the rest so when i see stuff like this it gets my gears turning |
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. I was j/k about it earlier. The airfilter dried up and sucked into the carb 
. After a good cleaning and a new filter she runs like a champ. This thing starts so well i dont even think my finger has hit the button yet and shes perrrnn away very very quietly. Its just cool for me to see one, brings back some good memories. I used to date a girl back when i was 14-15 that had a Razz just like this one. We used to ride 2 up on that thing every were we went 
. Now that i see how small these thing really are compared to Skeedr (witch is not that big either) i dont see how we did it lol. 
