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Post by niz76 on May 22, 2016 0:29:49 GMT -5
Looks like you certainly have an eye for detail. Keep the updates coming- lovin it!
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Post by lobarrett on May 22, 2016 19:39:32 GMT -5
Looks like you certainly have an eye for detail. Thanks for the comment. However, according to my therapist it's not because "I have an eye for detail" - it's because I have an anal personality, driven by anxiety, and that I am hanging on PTS event that I just won't let go of. Personally I think it is that I have the memory span of a GNAT and I have found that 49ccScoot Forum has been a fantastic place to organize the information, the membership advice, and document the direction my little ET2 Project is on. But, I do like your "eye for detail" diagnosis. I will have to hold on to that when I really get anal about one of my scooter issues.
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Post by lobarrett on Jun 11, 2016 14:46:43 GMT -5
My ET2 Build Project: Making adjustments With the closing of my electrical shop and my woodworking shop, I am some what short on space to work in. Everything that could be boxed up was. Which included all the old and new scooter parts. I rented two 10' X 25'storage units. One unit was to house all the large woodworking equipment - saws, planers, sawdust handling equipment, air compressors, router tables, etc. And, the large equipment that I had bought to work on my scooter. Things like a 20gal parts washer, 20ton hydraulic press, some tire mounting equipment, etc. .
The back 12' of the second unit was to store my ET2 parts and the front 13' was to store the maintenance items, fenders, lifejackets, carpet, wire and cable for a boat. All my hand tools that were needed to work on the scooter and the boat are in the front 13ft.
The units have no power or lighting so it will be difficult to work there - which was bad for doing scooter stuff but not to bad for working on the boat. When I needed to do something on the boat I get the tools needed and go down to the marina. The boat has 120/250v power and air conditioning running 7/24. So the boat part of it worked out nice.
The problem was working on the scooter - I need to sort through the parts I had and order the stuff I needed. To accomplish this task, I shutdown my small air brushing studio and turned it in to a scooter parts sorting facility. Originally I thought it would be closed for maybe a month - two at the most - that was five months ago and no end in sight.
The following are pictures of what my studio looks like as a parts sorting room. I left all the air brushing equipment in place thinking I would at least do some work.
Guess there are some scooter parts that have spread to my workstation area. The part in the right photo low right is the back half of the handlebar cover the front half is in the lower left side of the photo. In the left photo, my stator is just about under the monitor, Stage6 SKF Crank Bearing or maybe its the NTN crank bearings just above the keyboard.
My new workbench
The above photo shows my new cardboard box style "workbench" and only part of the scooter project I can currently work on - the handlebars (everything else is at the powder coaters). I am trying to fit a front radial master cylinder and a rear brake foldable cable set. And, yes the levers are different colors.
I wanted a some what average looking Vespa ET2 scooter - something that would not get a second look - so I picked my handlebars to go a little crazy with. Cut away some of the plastic - tuck the brake actuators into the plastic covers - the only thing that would be noticeable would be the red brake fluid reservoir sticking out above the "Corvette Yellow" covers. As you can see it's not working out - I gave up on "some" tucking and went into major cutting. At least it was a break from all the scooter parts sorting, ordering & packaging.
Thanks Larry
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Post by spaz12 on Jun 11, 2016 20:53:48 GMT -5
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Post by lobarrett on Jun 11, 2016 23:04:02 GMT -5
My ET2 Build Project: Wrapping this phase up
Got my last order in from SIP the end of last week. It's not the last order I need to make it's just the last order in this group. Most every thing else will not need this much attention. The two large areas I have yet to work are the electrical and frame/body stuff.
Going to sort through the last order, tomorrow and clean-up the mess I have created in my studio. There is so much stuff every where it is getting hard to move around. Got a small studio project to work on while I wait for the powder coaters to finish up.
Went by East Coast Powder Coating yesterday to get my ET2 CVT Cover - forgot to vent it before turning it over to them. They were doing some prep work on the cover and my engine. So that should be coming to closure soon.
They have made some good head way on the body - still not ready for the "Corvette Yellow" but very close. They have laid three coats of base generic yellow on it now. They lay one down and sand that down and lay on another and sand that - taking out imperfection in the surface each time. This should be the last of the base coats. The sanded areas on this third coat were smooth not a mark in it. When they are done with this last base coat, they will finish with the Corvette Yellow.
My latest workbench - tailgate
In my driveway under a shade tree - dodging bird shit and squirrel nuts.
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Post by niz76 on Jun 12, 2016 13:01:24 GMT -5
Dang that yellow looks nice and it's not even done yet? I had no idea the ET2's had this style of unibody frame until this thread. Now I like them even more!
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Post by lobarrett on Jun 16, 2016 7:04:59 GMT -5
Dang that yellow looks nice and it's not even done yet? I had no idea the ET2's had this style of unibody frame until this thread. Now I like them even more! Thanks for the comments. Yes, it's an all steel unibody constructed scooter and I am sure it has it's advantages - I just can't think of any at the moment. One thing for sure - it's heavy. Some where around 155lbs. Powered by a 5.1Hp engine. I am not sure how that compares with the power plant in a typical frame and body scooter. But I am positive much of the 5.1Hp is used to push the unibody down the road. Guess I am on middle ground as far a unibody vs std. frame construction. I am just as mixed on steel vs plastic body construction. I do like the quality of a Vespa. But the only reason I have this Vespa is my first scooter back in the mid-50s was a Vespa. It's an attempt to go back in time. What I would really like is a brand new red and black Italjet 50cc Dragster - with a 2 stroke AC engine that I could mod the blazes out of before it got dirty. I don't want to buy something fast - I want to make something fast. And, I want to do it to a 50cc AC engine. I don't think my little Vespa ET2 is the right machine to satisfy that goal on - it still fun to try.
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Post by Senna1Rossi on Jun 16, 2016 12:10:29 GMT -5
Yes, I like the yellow. I've heard that you could make the ET2 go 45-50mph with mods...
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Post by spaz12 on Jun 16, 2016 16:24:05 GMT -5
Yes, I like the yellow. I've heard that you could make the ET2 go 45-50mph with mods... You can make them very fast. And these are the parts to do it with: scootertuning.ca/en/286-liquid-conversion80 mph no problem
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Post by lobarrett on Aug 15, 2016 12:53:44 GMT -5
50cc ET2 Build Project - Everything Else - Build Chemicals
The majority of the parts and pieces for my build project have been delivered - I should have my engine case, CVT cover, front wheel hub, caliper brake, and my ET2 frame out of the powder coaters this week. That should be the point I can start putting everything back together. I am sure there are going to be issues. I will get to some point in the build and won't have something I need.
One area that I don't have much of is the - grease, oil, cleaner, sealers, etc. to do the build. I have done some searching on 49ccScoot.com and having found some stuff - but I know there must be more.
I know Brent has his stuff - like Threebond 1194 (bought some), copper gasket stuff () and probably a ton of other stuff that he doesn't even know he uses.
What I have: Threebond 1194, Loctite Anti-Seize Lubricant, Malossi MRG Grease (40gr), Aviation FORM-A-Gasket,
What I think is needed, Some type of grease (packing needle bearing, etc), Liquid Copper Gasket (one of Brent's things- cyl.), Copper Paste LIQUI MOLY, Loctite (removable, medium, high strength) Thread Locker.
I will need to do a lot of 49ccScoot reading before doing most things - like "porting" and will be making a list of stuff I need to do the work - but it would be nice to have the majority on-hand. I have to budget buy and sometimes just can't run out a get stuff and a lot of this stuff is expensive.
Every nut, bolt, screw, cotter pin, circlip, bushing and bearing is being replaced. So if you got something that helps you put this stuff back together let me know - even special tools.
more to come,
Thanks for viewing, larry
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Post by 90GTVert on Aug 15, 2016 13:06:11 GMT -5
I may be the only one out there, but I didn't like the Malossi grease for the torque driver. It seemed like I experienced more wear than I should and it appeared to dry up if it was thinned out somewhere, so I went back to old trusty (Mobil 1 synthetic grease) and that works well for me. It's pretty much the grease I use for everything. The copper spray I've used is by Permatex and in stock in about any auto parts place I've been in that carries their products. There are other brands though, and I think all should work fine. One can should last a long time. www.permatex.com/products/gasketing/gasket-sealants/permatex-copper-spray-a-gasket-hi-temp-sealant/Regarding porting; some of the tools are quite cheap. I use small shank carbide burr sets from eBay/amazon. You can get one set in double cut (steel) and one in single cut (aluminum) and should still come in at $30 or less. For years I used only Dremel brand stuff, and only the burrs that hardware stores stocked. I was pretty amazed at how much more powerful a rotary tool became with those cheap burrs.
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Post by lobarrett on Aug 15, 2016 23:29:42 GMT -5
Brent, Thanks for the info.
Did a 49scoot search on "Chemicals" got a lot of information - go figure - finding chemicals by searching on the word "chemicals". Found an old posting by you - 49ccscoot.proboards.com/post/40452
Found another one by you - 49ccscoot.proboards.com/post/6384 . This post also listed out some tools - most I had - but two I didn't and you would think that the would be at the top of my needed tool list - 1) feeler gauge and 2) a spark plug gapping tool
niz76 - Gray Motoseal 1 from Permatex & "Quicksteel" Steel reinforced epoxy putty. Both I have seen in Advanced Auto - just didn't know if the were any good. I needed some JBweld and all they had was "Quicksteel".
FrankenMech - 49ccscoot.proboards.com/post/144381 had a great list - again most of the stuff I was aware of but most wasn't on my list of stuff to get.
Thanks for all of it - larry
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Post by lobarrett on Aug 16, 2016 4:05:40 GMT -5
My 50cc ET2 Build Project - COST To Date
This was the main source for Part Numbers
Click here to View or Download a copy
The link is to DropBox if you are not a member you can still download and view Just click - NO THANKS
Main Suppliers
S.I.P in Landsberg, Germany - unbelievable order building system via a notepad - select the part you want -send it to your notepad - a line item is created that includes a photo of the part, a description and the cost of the part - build your order over several weeks - when ready to order - print out your notepad for your records and send the whole thing to your cart - pay for the order. Four to five days shipping from Germany. Communication from them was the best I have experienced. Major Vespa parts distributor with a large inventory of parts. Prices - reasonable. About the only negative is the backorder process. And, that is only limited by their ability to get the backordered part in and shipped. Web-site "so-so" on the exciting side - makes up for the lack of luster by giving you solid features that can help build and keep track of your small or larger orders - it just took me a lot of time to figure out how to use the site - it is huge. They definitely have a ICON on my desktop.
Scooter-Attack - in Some Where, Germany - Supplier for the majority of the Stage6 and Polini stuff I bought. Order processing, shipping and communication above average for scooter parts suppliers. Shipping times and communications were for the most part good. Web-site a little too flashy for me - had a hard to getting down to the part I was looking for - It was late in the game that I found out they have basic fix and repair parts - thought they were more into the major brand name stuff. Overall they may have been able to supply some of the stuff that I ordered automatically from S.I.P. They do have an ICON on my desktop.
PM Tuning, UK - - Were probably the best of the UK suppliers but were limited in Vespa ET2 parts. However, what they had were normally hard to find stuff. They were less to non-existent on the communication side - prices good with average shipping times. Web-site straight forward - could get to the area you need to be in quickly They also have an ICON on my desktop.
Software
If you are going to place large orders that need some level of management, extensive manipulation and editing of PDF files, you can not beat PDF-XChange Editor . They have a free to non-commercial user version. But, I like the program so much I bought the full featured version.
more to come
thanks for viewing, larry
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Post by 90GTVert on Aug 16, 2016 7:57:58 GMT -5
I love the diagrams that you do. Really cool looking and well organized.
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Post by lobarrett on Aug 16, 2016 8:37:22 GMT -5
My 50cc ET2 Build Project - Map of Component Groups
NOTE: All the Parts List & Cost are out on Dropbox - If you link to them and are not a member and don't want to become one - just go to bottom of the opening page and click "No thanks, continue to view →" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Engine
Link > to Engine Section Link > to Engine Parts List & Cost --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Exhaust
Link > to Exhaust Section Link > to Exhaust Parts List & Cost --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Intake Fuel, Air, & Oil
Link > to Old thread - Intake Fuel, Air & Oil Stuff Link > to Intake Fuel, Air & Oil Section Link > to Intake Fuel, Air, & Oil Parts List & Cost --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Delivery Fuel & Oil
Link > to Fuel & Oil Delivery Section Link< to Fuel & Oil Delivery Parts List & Cost --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ignition
Link > to Ignition Section NO Cost data --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Drivetrain
Link > to Drivetrain Section Link > to Drivetrain Parts List & Cost --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Steering, Suspension, Braking
Link > to Steering, Suspension, Braking Section Link > to Steering, Suspension, Braking Parts List & Cost --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Instruments & Controls
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Link > to Instruments & Controls Section Link > to Instruments & Controls Parts List & Cost --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Electrical
Link > to Electrical Section Link > to Electrical Parts List & Cost --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Frame & Body Parts | Painting & Body Work
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sheet two
Link > to Frame & Body Parts Section Link > to Frame & Body Parts List & Cost --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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