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Post by meloabreuu on Jun 5, 2015 18:16:42 GMT -5
I have had so many problems with my Peace Sports 50 and this is the latest one. The previous owner took terrible care for this poor guy.
So i was having starting issues. The electric starter hasn't worked for months, but I could always count on the kick start. Then I had problems. I checked spark... No issues. Checked the fuel lines and replaced the carb, and still, sometimes it would start, sometimes not. I thought it might have been a vacuum issue, but appeared not to be when I checked the lines. I noticed the kickstart felt weird and opened up the CVT cover.
....I find that the kickstart gear is stripped. I buy a new kickstart gear, install it, and now the engine wants to start, but there's a weird metal on metal grinding sound as i kickstart the bike. It runs for a few seconds while it soundsalmost like a gear is locked in place and grindi g against another, and it slowly dies....
Can anyone help? I can upload a video of this happening to YouTube if needed.
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Post by Fox on Jun 5, 2015 18:42:23 GMT -5
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Post by meloabreuu on Jun 5, 2015 19:01:55 GMT -5
I watched that video already, I'm pretty sure I have the kickstart Side installed correctly, I feel like it's something closer to the variator that might have gotten knocked out of place. I'm pretty sure of this because the rattling sound continues after the engine starts and the kickstarter and its gears are motionless.
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Post by niz76 on Jun 5, 2015 20:50:56 GMT -5
As far as the hard-to-start part, have you adjusted the valves at all?
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Post by Fox on Jun 6, 2015 10:01:32 GMT -5
Sounds like it's got too much slop in the bushing/pivot now since you used it too much so with the spring tension the half-moon gear is no longer perpendicular to the engine (mis-aligned) causing the other gear to not retract all the way so it's still hitting on the drive face after the kick lever returns.
In short, you used the kicker too much and f-ed it up. You may need a new case cover and new internal part(s).
My advice would be to abandon that for now and fix the electric start.
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Post by blaq on Jun 6, 2015 12:31:46 GMT -5
Try starting with cover off to see if problem still exists
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Post by meloabreuu on Jun 6, 2015 12:58:54 GMT -5
I just figured this out on my own, but Fox, you were right. The kickstart gear was not retracting enough, but I solved this problem by not putting in the washer that goes under it.
The moral of this story is that the kickstart is not durable enough to be used as a primary start in method, and i have to get the electronic one fixed. Thanks to everyone who helped.
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Post by Elektrey on Jun 6, 2015 13:20:24 GMT -5
just a fyi the kickstarters in these things arent really meant to be used as a primary means of starting they wear out really easy.
Whats the issue with the e-start maybe we could help you figure it out?
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Post by meloabreuu on Jun 6, 2015 15:15:27 GMT -5
I really don't know what the issue with the electronic start is. I thought it was the battery but it still won't start up when I connect the scooter to a trickle charger. Everything sounds normal at that point except the engine doesn't start. I had the battery checked at a scooter shop anyway and they said it had more than enough power. I wish I could give more hints as to what it might be but I'm a better mechanic than electrician, and i don't think I have the proper tools/meters to check the electrical system. I can put up a video of me trying to start it itlf that would help. I want to fix the e start because i know its only a matrer of time before i have the same kickstart issue again.
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Post by Elektrey on Jun 6, 2015 15:22:53 GMT -5
a video would help yes.
does it turn the engine over? If it turns the engine over then I don't see how it isn't starting unless it's just not turning the engine over fast enough.
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Post by meloabreuu on Jun 7, 2015 11:46:30 GMT -5
Yea it turns the engine over but doesn't start. Maybe the battery is fully charged but for some reason the current from it isn't strong enough to provide enough power to start the engine.... like it has sufficient amps but isn't putting out enough volts (I'm pretty sure that would be the correct way to say that) in which case I WOULD new a new battery after all. I'll get a video up asap.
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Post by Elektrey on Jun 7, 2015 12:11:26 GMT -5
so it starts with kickstart but not electric?
Both of them turn over the engine which rotates the flywheel generating a charge to spark the engine.
Possibilities:
Starter isn't turning engine over fast enough
Your a/f mixture is not close enough to start at the starters RPM but it is better at a higher RPM managed by kickstarting.
now Unless you have a DC CDI system I think those draw current from the battery to send the spark.
If you have a weak battery and a DC CDI system then its possible the amps are being drained from the starter engine and not enough to create the spark.
Have you checked for spark with the electric start?
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Post by meloabreuu on Jun 7, 2015 15:00:49 GMT -5
There's the video, it seems the battery might be an issue now seeing how It barely turns the engine, but it used to turn it multiple times and still not start.
No I havent checked for spark with the electric start, I just assumed that it wasn't the issue because I obviously had spark with the kickstart. I have another issue in another thread now (pretty sure it's clutch) that I'm working on, so I'm temporarily putting this on the backburner.
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Post by Elektrey on Jun 7, 2015 15:04:22 GMT -5
video is private
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Post by meloabreuu on Jun 7, 2015 15:54:16 GMT -5
Sorry, fixed that. Im going to find the code embed the video too. |
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