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Post by Senna1Rossi on Feb 3, 2016 13:06:21 GMT -5
You know, with all this gear-head talk from yous youts is making me think that i want to purchase another scoot for sole purpose of modifying/tinkering/making it faster/perform better/painting/make-it-me-own. I think this would be mucho fun! What would yous youts suggest? 49cc 2T? 4T? 150cc scoot? Bigger? My thought would be a 49cc scoot offers the most potential for mods? Let me know, please.
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Post by Lucass2T on Feb 3, 2016 13:11:16 GMT -5
Doesn't matter, as long as it has a Minarelli horizontal or Piaggio engine. That Vespa you have....perfect or better yet BEST basis for a power oriented goal!
You should look at the birthplace of the A-brand scoots and see how they take on things there. That would be either way Europe (Italy, France, Germany, Holland) or Japan. Forget about 4strokes and chinese stuff...
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Post by Senna1Rossi on Feb 3, 2016 13:19:57 GMT -5
Yes, glad you mention the origin. I wouldn't think the Chinese brand would be a good platform for a long-termer.
Thanks.
oh, What brands are from France, Germany, and Holland?? There's a scoot manufacturer in the Netherlands??
And how aboot the size??
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Post by Senna1Rossi on Feb 3, 2016 13:21:00 GMT -5
as long as it has a Minarelli horizontal or Piaggio engine. This I have to remember
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Post by Lucass2T on Feb 3, 2016 13:46:42 GMT -5
Yes, glad you mention the origin. I wouldn't think the Chinese brand would be a good platform for a long-termer. Thanks. oh, What brands are from France, Germany, and Holland?? There's a scoot manufacturer in the Netherlands?? And how aboot the size?? No but the scoot scene in Italy, France, Germany or Holland formes a good reference for your future build. The scoots themselves should be fitted with either a Minarelli or Piaggio engine. The scoot brand can be anything actually, it's all about your personal taste. Aprilia SR, Aprilia Sonic, Yamaha Aerox, Yamaha Neo's, Yamaha Jog, Malaguti F15, Malaguti F12, Malaguti F10, Beta Ark, Gilera Runner, Gilera Stalker, Piaggio Zip i can go on forever. I wouldn't go for Honda/Peugeot since there aren't that many high-end performace parts available for.
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Post by 90GTVert on Feb 3, 2016 13:59:04 GMT -5
49ccs are a good platform. The gains seem really big with a lot of 49ccs, 2T or 4T. Minarelli and Piaggio as suggested are excellent choices. Be sure to get something that has a large aftermarket and do research on the particular engine or scoot before buying if possible. Some platforms require a lot of expense or major work to get big gains. The GY6 150 is one. I'm not saying you can't get a lot more out of them, but it's not easy like bolting on a big bore kit. To gain a lot they need cases machined, stroker cranks, or even whole new cases because the regular GY6 150 can only get to about 155cc with a bolt on kit. By comparison, even it's little brother, the GY6 50/139QMB, can jump from 50 to over 80cc with a big bore kit that bolts on. With the small 2Ts, you can jump up displacement, but there's also tons of power to gain with different port configurations and pipes.
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Post by spaz12 on Feb 3, 2016 16:10:09 GMT -5
Buy that Typhoon. It's in incredibly nice shape and it's a freakin steal. AND it has the Piggy (Piaggio ET) motor. Pretty much all the racers in Europe use that motor. Did I mention for that price you are stealing it?
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Post by TheAmishSasquatch on Feb 3, 2016 16:33:28 GMT -5
Any 2 stroke would be great!!
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Post by Clank on Feb 3, 2016 16:45:16 GMT -5
Key words "Tinkering & Modifying". That to me says 4t as it has more moving parts therefore more things to change and modify. If the soul intent is for the experience than I would say 4t especially stateside as the 2ts are harder to come by. And then when you get tired of the 4t get 2t motor and swap it out. That's just my thoughts.
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Post by Lucass2T on Feb 4, 2016 2:16:00 GMT -5
More moving parts that will eat power away... More weight beacause of all those parts. You need to put more effort and money into a 4T and after all it just doesn't pay off performance wise. You'll still get 'smoked' by a 2T. Performance and 4t just doesn't go in 1 sentence
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Post by tsimi on Feb 4, 2016 2:53:35 GMT -5
From what I read a 4T seems to be more reliable and doesn't seize. As Lucass said the words performance and 4T doesn't match. Example; a stock 2T Jog has around 6.5-7 bhp (break horse power) a stock 4t has something around 4 bhp maybe even less. Now if you throw money and parts at a 4T you will get probably same much or a tiny bit more power then the stock Jog. But if you put the same amount of time, effort and money into the 2T Jog you will have easy twice or more power then the 4T. Downside (stupid word actually) is a 2T needs more maintenance and regular care taking then a 4T. A 4T needs an oil change and new tires now and then and that's it. So where is the fun in that? No wrenching, no adjusting, no blue smoke, no high pitched "brapbrapbrap" sound. Taking care of an engine on a regular basis is what most of us 2T heads like and love to do.
So long story short, get a 2T, Honda or Yamaha would be best. Not familiar with Piaggios though.
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Post by spaz12 on Feb 4, 2016 3:09:02 GMT -5
4t's have cooties.
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Post by frank50e on Feb 4, 2016 10:24:13 GMT -5
These are not often talked about on this forum but the Honda af16 platform can produce amazing results.91-01 Elite or Dio.
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Post by Clank on Feb 4, 2016 20:01:06 GMT -5
KEY WORDS "TINKERING & MODIFYING"!! I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT PERFORMANCE...
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Post by stepthrutuner on Feb 4, 2016 20:32:37 GMT -5
These are not often talked about on this forum but the Honda af16 platform can produce amazing results.91-01 Elite or Dio. These are probably the cheapest to mod and tune with the best results. Getting hard to find at a decent price though. I've got one hanging on the carport wall. Have stylings of building a methanol sprinter with the motor possibly in the future??? Looking for 90 lb. rider with 80 lbs. of balls.
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