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Post by repherence2 on Jul 10, 2018 22:24:18 GMT -5
I am from Hawaii. I have been lurking on hondaspree.net and reading through the performance section. There are so many posts from Hawaii guys building 120cc strokers or even mini stroke Corsas but they post threads asking for advice on how to tune it...the dumb gets Dumber.
Now I see why a lot of forum members here bash on the Hawaii Hondas. So much wannabe's and pozers in the Hawaii moped scene. How the hell they gonna build a 120cc stroker but then jump on a forum to ask how to tune the engine? Got some Idiots here on the island. Add to that, they got that punk-action attitudes...needlessly braaaping the throttle at stop lights, irritating the general public. All of them fools/idiots think and claim that their bikes are fast when half of them is rolling around on stolen mopeds or it has the load of stolen parts.
I have been called out to race by these Hondas several times. So I took them up on their offer. Just because they see a Chinese Ningbo GTX with pink wheels and a pink air scoop they make assumptions. I ended up making an ASS out of all of them. It may look like I ride a sissy pink wheeled former Waikiki rental moped but they don't realize that I have a Yamaha 90cc block with a Taida 54mm bore and Malossi up gears...maybe it's the YMS v8 pipe that throws them off.
You know, them Hawaii guys run Corsas, PG long, PG short, Arrow, Scooter Alley Scorpion/Sparrow, PG stroker, wide open 28mm carb with velocity stack, open CVT cover...and all that other poser stuff. Not to mention all them front mounted radiators.
In the end, they end up getting smashed by a pink wheeled Chinarelli moped...what makes it worst is that they don't handle Defeat so well, sore Losers. Sometimes Simple is Better. When I was first getting into tuning and buying a lot of 47mm performance bores, a professional tuner told me, "just get a 90cc block, up gear it, and you can run with the Dio's all day long, even the strokers.". He was totally correct.
They put in all that effort to get to 120cc stroker, but if you only squeeze out 65mph out of it, how good is that when the 90cc minarelli passes you at 70? I guess for them it's a game of bragging rights in the Honda moped pecking order here on Oahu.
And then there's that YouTube video of the ”100mph" moped that's actually doing 100kmh ~ 50+mph... Fake News Hondas of Hawaii. Now I see why people bash on Hawaii Honda's and their outlandish claims.
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Post by Lucass2T on Jul 11, 2018 1:29:46 GMT -5
You know i've put a polini bbk on my Honda Vision some time ago. It did like 75mph straight out of the box! On the stock carb!!! If i had a corsa bore it would probably do 80+! I bet it would even be faster than my cr500!
I've seen some real optimistic claims at hondaspree.net with no proof or back up whatsoever... It's fun to read tho
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Post by 190mech on Jul 11, 2018 5:25:30 GMT -5
OOOH!If they only made a 120cc Corsa cylinder...The 120 thing is just hype as the transfer ducting is even worse than the 90 Mina jugs,poor castings also..Only real way to get decent ducts is an adapter plate and longer rod to fit a hyper type jug,,that wont happen as they are selling tons of the crap 120 stuff now!
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Post by AtariGuy on Jul 11, 2018 12:04:14 GMT -5
More reason to get a few chunks of billet and fab my own cases. Drop a yz125 cylinder on a piaggio 54mm crank =D
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Post by islandscrub on Jul 11, 2018 13:49:51 GMT -5
I don't know who you are running into out there to draw this sort of post. I've met a large portion of the group (big ride this past Sunday) and there's a mix of old veterans and and young kids that don't really know/are learning how to tune, they all mostly just want to wrench and be part of something. As far as builds, I've personally clocked a couple of 72ccs with small riders going mid to high 70s in a full tuck. It's rather impressive since the fastest 125cc stroker I've encountered hit 82.
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Post by 90GTVert on Jul 11, 2018 14:59:46 GMT -5
I've never known a lot about the Honda 2Ts (or any of the Hondas) and thought those 2T Hondas had to be pretty badass from all of the talk for a long time. Never really looked at the Spree forum; just from YouTube and around the grapevine I guess. Reality seems to be that there's nothing wrong with a Honda Dio or Elite, but they are not the monsters that they're made out to be. There certainly may be some out there, but we have a handful of very quick/fast Minarellis around here that may well disprove any superiority of those Hondas.
There are people or whole groups worldwide that talk smack about things that aren't that great though. I had one large group of customers that talked about how fast they were. I just randomly saw them riding around and followed them and they quickly pulled over to talk. They wanted me to race the fastest guy there with a 70cc 2T with a pipe and CVT work. I told them mine was OK but not all that fast. It was my first 96cc with a Leo Vince pipe. Not bad, but wouldn't run with more recent 90s. I think they thought I was about to get whooped. Turns out, I didn't even give it beyond half throttle till 50MPH because I wasn't sure that he was trying. Then I saw him tuck down and "Oh, that's all he's got" so I rode away WOT for a moment and then stopped. This was me at around 300lb vs a 150lb guy BTW. Should destroy me in a drag race if he had near the power they thought he did. I told them what happened. Let a smaller guy get on my scooter to see for himself. They all became customers at that point and said F the guy that was working on their scoots.
The BS doesn't end there though. They'd tell me about some fast scooter here or there and I'd tell them to get him to bring it around. Never happened. I put a Polini Sport BBK on one's E-Ton and tuned the carb and CVT. It did a little over 50MPH for me. Those things have 13.55 gears stock so they aren't gonna haul too much ass without a gear change or a lot of RPM. Later, they said that thing is super fast and does 65MPH. It ran well for what it was, even having a stock exhaust, but it was definitely not what was described.
I've talked about that many times before so my apologies to those that have heard it 10 times. Felt appropriate here.
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Post by Lucass2T on Jul 11, 2018 16:10:03 GMT -5
I've never known a lot about the Honda 2Ts (or any of the Hondas) and thought those 2T Hondas had to be pretty badass from all of the talk for a long time. Never really looked at the Spree forum; just from YouTube and around the grapevine I guess. Reality seems to be that there's nothing wrong with a Honda Dio or Elite, but they are not the monsters that they're made out to be. There certainly may be some out there, but we have a handful of very quick/fast Minarellis around here that may well disprove any superiority of those Hondas. There are people or whole groups worldwide that talk smack about things that aren't that great though. I had one large group of customers that talked about how fast they were. I just randomly saw them riding around and followed them and they quickly pulled over to talk. They wanted me to race the fastest guy there with a 70cc 2T with a pipe and CVT work. I told them mine was OK but not all that fast. It was my first 96cc with a Leo Vince pipe. Not bad, but wouldn't run with more recent 90s. I think they thought I was about to get whooped. Turns out, I didn't even give it beyond half throttle till 50MPH because I wasn't sure that he was trying. Then I saw him tuck down and "Oh, that's all he's got" so I rode away WOT for a moment and then stopped. This was me at around 300lb vs a 150lb guy BTW. Should destroy me in a drag race if he had near the power they thought he did. I told them what happened. Let a smaller guy get on my scooter to see for himself. They all became customers at that point and said F the guy that was working on their scoots. The BS doesn't end there though. They'd tell me about some fast scooter here or there and I'd tell them to get him to bring it around. Never happened. I put a Polini Sport BBK on one's E-Ton and tuned the carb and CVT. It did a little over 50MPH for me. Those things have 13.55 gears stock so they aren't gonna haul too much ass without a gear change or a lot of RPM. Later, they said that thing is super fast and does 65MPH. It ran well for what it was, even having a stock exhaust, but it was definitely not what was described. I've talked about that many times before so my apologies to those that have heard it 10 times. Felt appropriate here. I just love the plain objective answers you always bring, love it! But you hit nail right on the head here. People tend to overexeggerate quite a lot when they want to make a point.
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Post by ryan_ott on Jul 11, 2018 16:55:50 GMT -5
I don’t doubt they can be made quick. I just don’t believe all the hype the Hawaii guys throw around with these excessive speeds. I had a pretty badass Elite with all the goodies and I never saw 80 mph. It’s all just bragging. And all the 120 motors, I can see bottom end I don’t think they can pull the rpm a smaller cc could. I’m just going to place this here to go down memory lane... 😥
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Post by benji on Jul 11, 2018 17:49:11 GMT -5
I've seen the Hawaii claims and some of the older videos, and there is some truth and there is some hype.
Hawaii has had a scooter scene for a long time now, like a really long time. There are guys in Hawaii that have been tuning Honda dios And elites since the 80s haha. I'm sure with that amount of time being devoted to aftermarket parts on scooters, I'm sure there is some definite knowledge there. On top of that, I have a feeling that wet warm climate may have something to do with tuning and making it easier to not detonate a motor went running lean.
That being said, any scene is going to have its posers and followers. On top of that, Hawaii has a pretty large methamphetamine problem. I'm pretty sure that has something to do with some of these extreme claims haha.
As for HondaSpree.net, there's quite a bit of useful information over there, but also quite a lot of bullshit and bench racing Theory. That forum is basically around for a handful of "engine builders" and parts resellers to make some money off some of these kids who just bought a Spree or elite or Dio and have no idea what to do with it.
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Post by 'O'Verse on Jul 11, 2018 18:16:27 GMT -5
Here’s an 80mph scoot. It’s “supposed” to go faster than 80mph. If it did I would definitely claim it. But 80mph is it so far. When your use to riding 90cc 60-65mph scoots, 80mph is plenty!
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Post by repherence2 on Jul 11, 2018 20:58:39 GMT -5
I don't know who you are running into out there to draw this sort of post. I've met a large portion of the group (big ride this past Sunday) and there's a mix of old veterans and and young kids that don't really know/are learning how to tune, they all mostly just want to wrench and be part of something. As far as builds, I've personally clocked a couple of 72ccs with small riders going mid to high 70s in a full tuck. It's rather impressive since the fastest 125cc stroker I've encountered hit 82. I lived in Waimanalo for 4 years and was called out to race in Waimanalo a lot. And then there were a few in Honolulu. Islandscrub, I understand where you are coming from. I'm not saying that all the Dio guys are bad apples. I've met some Honda riders out there that run solo. I've talked story with them. There are some really respectable people that have Hammer bikes out there. But game recognizes game, the guys with the Hammer bikes really don't have nothing to prove out there and I admire their style. I used to work with one of the mechanics/tuners from Qwik Fix Cycles and he was humble about his Honda Elite. As a matter of fact, I asked him if I could borrow one of his shittiest mopeds so I could go ride around the island with some friends from the Mainland who were renting mopeds. He instead gave me his Best moped to ride that day, a dark blue Elite with a "stock" exhaust pipe. Nothing fancy, but that thing was definitely a Hammer. But yes, going back to Sunday and the big group that gathered up at Sandy Beach. That is what also sparked this. When I see Hondas trying to cross a double yellow solid line jump into the oncoming lane to bypass traffic in Waimanalo, I have a problem with that. Especially when I'm the person driving the car in the oncoming and the Honda lurches across the double solid and almost slams head to head into the Honda Accord I'm driving. Jeopardizing the safety of other motorists...I have a problem with that. And then I get to 7-11 in Waimanalo and there's a bunch there braaping throttles in the parking lot. Another guy wrenching on his Honda, doing carb work and just dumping fuel/oil onto the asphalt in the parking lot... I have a problem with that too. Not ALL are bad apples, but a lot of them are. By the way, my girlfriend and I passed by Sandy Beach when all the Hondas were all lined up on the grass for the photoshoot. She thought that it was an awesome sight to see, and she's in her 50's from Chicago.
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Post by repherence2 on Jul 11, 2018 21:11:29 GMT -5
I don’t doubt they can be made quick. I just don’t believe all the hype the Hawaii guys throw around with these excessive speeds. I had a pretty badass Elite with all the goodies and I never saw 80 mph. It’s all just bragging. And all the 120 motors, I can see bottom end I don’t think they can pull the rpm a smaller cc could. I’m just going to place this here to go down memory lane... 😥 That's a sleek bike you got in memory lane. That bike was nicely done Ryan!
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Post by repherence2 on Jul 11, 2018 21:20:46 GMT -5
Here’s an 80mph scoot. It’s “supposed” to go faster than 80mph. If it did I would definitely claim it. But 80mph is it so far. When your use to riding 90cc 60-65mph scoots, 80mph is plenty! That's an Animal! It just looks like it ain'ts to be fuct with. I agree with you about being used to riding at 60-65mph on a 90cc.
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Post by repherence2 on Jul 11, 2018 21:33:06 GMT -5
I've seen the Hawaii claims and some of the older videos, and there is some truth and there is some hype. Hawaii has had a scooter scene for a long time now, like a really long time. There are guys in Hawaii that have been tuning Honda dios And elites since the 80s haha. I'm sure with that amount of time being devoted to aftermarket parts on scooters, I'm sure there is some definite knowledge there. On top of that, I have a feeling that wet warm climate may have something to do with tuning and making it easier to not detonate a motor went running lean. That being said, any scene is going to have its posers and followers. On top of that, Hawaii has a pretty large methamphetamine problem. I'm pretty sure that has something to do with some of these extreme claims haha. As for HondaSpree.net, there's quite a bit of useful information over there, but also quite a lot of bullshit and bench racing Theory. That forum is basically around for a handful of "engine builders" and parts resellers to make some money off some of these kids who just bought a Spree or elite or Dio and have no idea what to do with it. Well said Benji. There are some bad ass tuners here and the moped scene has been around since I was a kid...I'm 40 now. The real bad ass tuners here are quiet. It's like they know that they have nothing to prove. And then they kind of fizzle out of the scene because some people dream of speed while the bad ass tuners lived the dream.
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Post by repherence2 on Jul 11, 2018 21:35:06 GMT -5
More reason to get a few chunks of billet and fab my own cases. Drop a yz125 cylinder on a piaggio 54mm crank =D = Game Over.
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