hgoodloe25
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Post by hgoodloe25 on Dec 21, 2014 23:17:02 GMT -5
I hope I'm aloud to have two posts? Don't seem to be getting much in the other place that I put the thread and I see everyone posting here about the problems they are having...So I'll give it a try if I need to I can delete the other thread I created about it.
So here's my dillema, I just got a 125cc Yamah Vino complete running scooter engine with about 550 miles on it. Guy bought it and wrecked it and it was running after he wrecked it it wasn't driveable due to the front end. So I bought the engine off of him to put on my 50cc Avispa, Made by verccui or something like that I cannot pronounce the name or anything like that. But here's my problem. I swapped the engines. Everything went smooth. I have all wires hooked up except for the wires that come off the stator and the wires that run off my harness for the stator.
On my harness I have a plug with 3 wires and 2 single plug in's so a total of 5 wires. On the 3 prong plug I have green, yellow, white, and the two single ones are mixed colors. I can figure out the two plugs I already have them set up.
But on the Stator on the Yamah 125cc engine that I put on it has a total of 6 wires. Of course the 2 single plugs like I said I can figure that out but the tricky part is the other 4 wires. I have a solid black wire. A solid green wire, a white wire with blue stripe. And a white wire with a red stripe.
I was told not to hook these up and just "test" because it could fry my stator.
Any help I could get would be great. I'd just like to get my scoot up and running. I just don't understand why it's so complicated I guess the chinese part is the problem.
Thanks in advanced
Hugh
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Post by hgoodloe25 on Dec 21, 2014 23:38:04 GMT -5
If needed and it helps me get my scoot running I can go down and take some pictures as well lol. Just desperate! I have never had a problem coming up with solutions and trying to fix any of my problems except for this one! lol
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Post by Elektrey on Dec 22, 2014 0:44:56 GMT -5
so first I'm going to try to make sense of the extra wire on the connector.
Looking at my scoot wiring diagram, I see 5 wires to the flywheel magneto (which is the stator right?)
2 Go to the plug, which are white/red and yellow/red and are connected to the rectifier. One of them connects to the speedo lights and rear brake light so it looks like it is a ignition powered lead.
Then, 3 other wires. 1 is ground, which is black of course.
Another is Black/red and the other is blue/yellow.
they both go to the CDI
Hope this helps in some way, don't over think it I'm just bringing info of what my wiring diagram shows to maybe clear up what yours could be. There is no way I can help you unless you have wiring diagrams for both OR you test them and figure out which is which that way, which I can't suggest because I have no idea how you would do that. Not as straightforward as seeing which wire turns on which light.
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Post by moofus02 on Dec 22, 2014 2:31:45 GMT -5
Check the manual section and see if there is one for the 125 vino. If not check over at Zuma forums for one. I've seen one somewhere and these are the only places i go. Very cool swap. Congrats. Vino might be a dc stator. You have ac dc and then grounded at stator or through the harness via regulator. Should be pretty simple with a wire diagram. Do you still have access to the wrecked vino. If so the harness regulator and cdi would be good to have
Sent from my SPH-L720 using proboards
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Post by Clank on Dec 22, 2014 3:02:13 GMT -5
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Post by tiny on Dec 22, 2014 6:04:24 GMT -5
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Post by hgoodloe25 on Dec 22, 2014 11:13:15 GMT -5
That Defiantly helped me out. Now I know where all these wires are supposed to go. and the color coding is nice. I couldn't find this anywhere. Now I just got to find the color codes for my harness to figure out what those wires go to. Thanks a lot! |
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Post by hgoodloe25 on Dec 22, 2014 11:14:45 GMT -5
Unfortunately my wiring isn't like that :/ I wish it was though it would be so much easier!!! Thanks for the welcome! I'm finding this to be an awesome forum! |
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Post by hgoodloe25 on Dec 22, 2014 11:17:15 GMT -5
Check the manual section and see if there is one for the 125 vino. If not check over at Zuma forums for one. I've seen one somewhere and these are the only places i go. Very cool swap. Congrats. Vino might be a dc stator. You have ac dc and then grounded at stator or through the harness via regulator. Should be pretty simple with a wire diagram. Do you still have access to the wrecked vino. If so the harness regulator and cdi would be good to have Sent from my SPH-L720 using proboards Unfortunately no I don't have access to the wrecked Vino, I tore the motor off and kept the hoses and CDI box but found that the CDI doesn't plug into my Avispa harness. It's got 3 different cconnectorson it all different shapes when my Avispa has a regular 2 plug connector on it. I kept the CDI though but purchased a 125cc aftermarket racing CDI to install on it. Think this could be some of my problem? Do I have to have the original CDI? |
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Post by hgoodloe25 on Dec 22, 2014 11:20:30 GMT -5
so first I'm going to try to make sense of the extra wire on the connector. Looking at my scoot wiring diagram, I see 5 wires to the flywheel magneto (which is the stator right?) 2 Go to the plug, which are white/red and yellow/red and are connected to the rectifier. One of them connects to the speedo lights and rear brake light so it looks like it is a ignition powered lead. Then, 3 other wires. 1 is ground, which is black of course. Another is Black/red and the other is blue/yellow. they both go to the CDI Hope this helps in some way, don't over think it I'm just binging info of what my wiring diagram shows to maybe clear up what yours could be. There is no way I can help you unless you have wiring diagrams for both OR you test them and figure out which is which that way, which I can't suggest because I have no idea how you would do that. Not as straightforward as seeing which wire turns on which light. Yes I am talkin about the stator. I just realized they call them magneto's as well. I wish the wires coming off of it only had 5 but it's got 6 and that's my dilemma a the moment. The way that it should hook up with the extra black wire being a ground I have grounded it off to the frame and a bolt and still get no spark so I'm not sure where I should go from this point. I know that the VINO was still running after it was wrecked so there's no problems with the engine and I had my Avispa running before I took the 50cc motor off of it. So I know it's got to be something that I'm not doing right I just can't figure it out! lol |
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Post by stevec on Dec 22, 2014 13:16:34 GMT -5
sorry if i wasn't able to help, i went by what someone told me to do for the colors.
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Post by hgoodloe25 on Dec 22, 2014 14:08:05 GMT -5
Oh no problem at all Sir, I really appreciate the input on the situation I'm having! At the moment I'm stuck my self. Nothing is making since. I had gotten a few replies as to the Vino wiring diagram. I have since learned that the wires that come off the Vino stator are actually completely different then to what the wires go to on a Chinese wiring harness. So I'm still in a rough spot. But hoping I can find someone that has done this American wiring system to Chinese before or something like that lol.
I'm going to go down the road to this shop and see if I can work out a deal with him hooking it up and getting it running in exchange for some scooter parts. He orders all his stuff so I figured I have complete 50cc engine he might want it for some spare parts layin around to fix stuff quicker. I cannot seem to figure out this electrical so I got to do something lol!
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Post by tiny on Dec 22, 2014 16:34:52 GMT -5
I'm Glad it helped you. Get back on the road soon mate.
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Post by 90GTVert on Dec 23, 2014 8:40:33 GMT -5
With the Chinese GY6 & 139QMB 4Ts you usually have : 2 Separate Connectors| Black/Red | CDI Power (Charges the CDI so it can fire.) | Blue/Yellow or
Blue/White | Pickup Trigger Signal (Tells the CDI when the reluctor passes the pickup so it knows when to fire.) |
3 Terminal Connector| Green | Ground
| | Yellow | AC/Headlight Power | | White | Charging Power
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Both yellow and white should put out similar AC voltage so I'm not really sure that it would matter which is which when wiring to a new setup. If you hook up a multimeter you should find that the green ground has continuity with batt/frame grounds. Yellow and white should put out ACV when cranking the engine over. Blue/Yellow should be 0.3-0.5VAC when cranking. Black/Red should be somewhere around 50VAC or above when cranking. |
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Post by FrankenMech on Dec 23, 2014 15:28:06 GMT -5
"Usually have" is the operative word on a 50cc. There are as many variations as there are manufacturers, years, models, production lots, etc. When added to the number of manufacturers and years and production lots of 125's, 150's, etc, etc, etc, the variations are endless. Most of the schematics I have seen are farked up poorly made copies of other schematics which may or may not be anywhere close to reality.
You probably need the regulator off the crashed scoot. It seems a lot of the larger motors have 3-phase stators/magnetos.
Just for grins, a magneto is usually used in an ignition system so some of our scoots have an AC magneto powering the ignition system. A Stator is usually found in an alternator for providing power. So we have both is some scoots. We also have a trigger coil like that found in many automotive ignition systems. It is all confusing.
Trace out all the wires in the stator and draw yourself a diagram of what you have. You may have to disconnect some connections to make measurements. Then compare that diagram with all of the diagrams that can be found online. Pictures don't help a lot because a person can not see how everything is connected.
The AC or DC powered CDI units are fairly easy to identify and wire up. Some of the connectors for them are hard to find. The OEM units are usually very reliable. the 'racing' variants are somewhat unreliable and some of the ads are downright misleading. The good OEM units may have a very clever spark advance system built in.
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