|
Jog-Mania
Mar 21, 2016 1:26:32 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by tsimi on Mar 21, 2016 1:26:32 GMT -5
06jogDo you have more pics of that CDI manual? That is only one part of it.
|
|
|
Post by tsimi on Mar 21, 2016 2:17:06 GMT -5
No need for the manual image anymore. Here is what is happening. You can advance the timing and therefore raise your rpms. Map 1 is the most advanced stage, Map 2 less advanced, Map 3 is normal timing and Map 4 is delayed timing. If you start to tune your scooter one day with Big Bore Kits and exhausts then it might be useful to advance your timing to get some extra rpms to reach and stay within your power band. Let's say when you are at 1/4 throttle your scooters rpms are at 5000 now setting the CDI to Map 2 it will give you 6000 rpms at the same 1/4 throttle position. Some race or mid-race setups require advanced timing. Never heard of anyone going with a delayed timing. In your case start with Map 3 and once you start to tune your scooter go to Map 2 and see how that behaves. The manual also says that it is very important to turn of the power when changing the CDI setting. With my current sport grade setup I didn't had good results with advanced timing. Raizer on the other hand had excellent results on his Suzuki with advanced timing CDI.
|
|
06jog
Scoot Member
2006 Yamaha Jog
Posts: 86
Location: Sydney
|
Post by 06jog on Mar 21, 2016 2:28:55 GMT -5
That half moon exhaust opening on a 49cc stock cylinder is pretty typical. 90GTVert had a writeup where he mentioned that he opened up the exhaust port with a grinder and it made no difference whatsoever. Stock cylinders are usually the first to go into the trash bin anyway! Thanks for confirming that. I did end up doing a google image search of the cylinder and found other that look the same but you can never be too sure.
|
|
06jog
Scoot Member
2006 Yamaha Jog
Posts: 86
Location: Sydney
|
Post by 06jog on Mar 21, 2016 2:33:16 GMT -5
No need for the manual image anymore. Here is what is happening. You can advance the timing and therefore raise your rpms. Map 1 is the most advanced stage, Map 2 less advanced, Map 3 is normal timing and Map 4 is delayed timing. If you start to tune your scooter one day with Big Bore Kits and exhausts then it might be useful to advance your timing to get some extra rpms to reach and stay within your power band. Let's say when you are at 1/4 throttle your scooters rpms are at 5000 now setting the CDI to Map 2 it will give you 6000 rpms at the same 1/4 throttle position. Some race or mid-race setups require advanced timing. Never heard of anyone going with a delayed timing. In your case start with Map 3 and once you start to tune your scooter go to Map 2 and see how that behaves. The manual also says that it is very important to turn of the power when changing the CDI setting. With my current sport grade setup I didn't had good results with advanced timing. Raizer on the other hand had excellent results on his Suzuki with advanced timing CDI. I just got back from a test ride at MAP 2 (i am impatient) and it revved higher went to 65km on the clock. Did nothing for going up inclines. I will try again on MAP 3. Just started raining here no i will have to wait until it stops.
|
|
06jog
Scoot Member
2006 Yamaha Jog
Posts: 86
Location: Sydney
|
Post by 06jog on Mar 21, 2016 2:37:10 GMT -5
06jog WOW! Great Job! I have never seen the pipe/exhaust that close. It would be interesting to see where that extra pipe is connected to. And that hose that goes into the middle of the airbox comes from the carburetor. Your belt might be worn down. It should have around 16.6-17mm width. Your Jog also has the so called G-Lock. The wire that runs over the CVT cover is locking the clutch. The clutch has those things standing out, those are used to lock the clutch in place and therefore stop the rear wheel from moving/spinning. Looking forward to more pics and info... That extra pipe runs inside the bottom right guard to the front chin and is connected to white plastic container and another hose runs back out of the plastic container half way and dumps down and out.
|
|
|
Post by tsimi on Mar 21, 2016 2:50:23 GMT -5
white container? just post an image of that container and its place whenever you find time. I am gonna go and tune my CVT now.... later.
|
|
06jog
Scoot Member
2006 Yamaha Jog
Posts: 86
Location: Sydney
|
Post by 06jog on Mar 21, 2016 21:56:44 GMT -5
Hi Here that picture of the exhaust thingy As you can see it is inside the fairing behind the front wheel. 1 pipe going from the exhaust to it and another leave it and comes back half way toward the exhaust and dumps down and out. It must convert a small percentage of exhaust gas to an inert gas to get past local emissions laws here. I think New Zealand has it also. I hope your tuning went to plan.
|
|
|
Post by tsimi on Mar 21, 2016 22:08:57 GMT -5
Wow, never seen that. My scooter has nothing there. CVT tuning went well. I also took apart my other Jogs CVT and cleaned and applied new grease to the torque driver. Just a day of regular 2T maintenance.
|
|
|
Post by Raizer on Mar 21, 2016 22:10:27 GMT -5
Looks like a charcoal canister for emissions, I'm not 100% sure it is though.
Edit: a few moments on google confirm it is a emissions control canister, so yeah charcoal filter, found on a few models: Jog SA01J (5BM) Jog Aprio SA11J Vino SA10J and probably others.
Also it is fairly restrictive, the few things I've just looked at all say ditch that exhaust for at least a stock CV50 non emissions pipe or an after market pipe as well as binning the canister and everything attached to it.
|
|
06jog
Scoot Member
2006 Yamaha Jog
Posts: 86
Location: Sydney
|
Post by 06jog on Mar 21, 2016 22:23:33 GMT -5
Looks like a charcoal canister for emissions, I'm not 100% sure it is though. Edit: a few moments on google confirm it is a emissions control canister, so yeah charcoal filter, found on a few models: Jog SA01J (5BM) Jog Aprio SA11J Vino SA10J and probably others. Also it is fairly restrictive, the few things I've just looked at all say ditch that exhaust for at least a stock CV50 non emissions pipe or an after market pipe as well as binning the canister and everything attached to it. You don't have to tell me twice. I will block off the pipe for now. I looked everywhere for info on that. Good find and thanks. I am now in the market for: New exhaust and gasket i guess Belt Rollers Contra and clutch springs Tacho
|
|
06jog
Scoot Member
2006 Yamaha Jog
Posts: 86
Location: Sydney
|
Post by 06jog on Mar 24, 2016 5:30:17 GMT -5
Hi guys
Needs a little help before I make the next purchase. I measured my belt and it is down to 15.5mm wide so a new one would be called for. I put a measuring tape around it while still in the scoot and it measured 793mm ( I used one of those tailor tapes they use to measured you up for a suit that way it sits flat against the belt). I am leaning towards the Malossi X Special 793mm x 16.8mm x 30. Can anyone vouch for this belt or have another suggestion. The other item would be rollers. I have read that they should be 15x12 and 6.5g standard and I am considering Polini and Malossi. I noticed that the clutch is a 2 shoe type. Are they all 105mm standard size. Would it be advisable to buy a 3 shoe in 105 or 107 along with a new bell to suit 107 if I go up in clutch size. Are the clutch spring from 105 and 107 the same size none of the suppliers note size. Same with the contra Spring size do you have to know an exact size. I tried to measure the inner Spring carrier with my verniers which would be it ID of the Spring it was in the 70mm range.
I know lots of questions. Bloody newbies
Also I found a UK site Pedparts but they don't ship outside of Europe. They have a Yasuni z exhaust that converts to $133us ($93 pounds plus vat) Scooter Tuner advertise it for $159.99 plus $43 freight to Australia. Sad part for us poor Australians is the exchange rate we have to pay 30% more for everything as our dollar is trading at .75cents to $1us and then there is the fee to change AUST to US.
Thanks in advance.
|
|
|
Post by tsimi on Mar 24, 2016 6:41:39 GMT -5
I did the exact same thing. If you want the exact same size belt then that Malossi would be an alternative. You cannot get stock Yamaha parts in Australia? Or if you don't mind ordering at webike you could get the KN Kikaku Long belt (7020-L-SS) which would be 803.5mm x 16.6mm. There are so many to choose from so it is entirely up to you. Regarding the clutch size 105 or 107. I never used 107mm stuff thus far. I just know that if you go with a 107mm 3 shoe clutch you will have to change the clutch bell too. I don't know if a 107mm bell would fit in there, remember the G-Lock stuff? I think there are 105mm 3 shoe clutches available though. The clutch springs should be the same size but not sure about the torque spring. Maybe someone can chime in and enlighten us. Regarding the pipe, why not wait for a good sale? There are always sale weeks or discount code days. I always wait for a good sale when ordering larger stuff. Shopping overseas can be a pain in the ass, either you get very good product prices but expensive shipping or good shipping but bad products prices. Right now scooter-attack.com (Germany) has a 20% sale on all Stage6 stuff. Because of that I ordered today a 21mm Stage6 Racing Dellorto carburetor for 80 Euros! ($89USD) inkl. shipping to Japan! Something I couldn't pass up. Looking for good shipping prices to Australia, New Zealand or Japan look at racing-planet.de, subscribe for their newsletter and get a 10 Euro discount code. Right now they have a 10% Easter sale (23.3 - 28.3). Here a couple of shops that you can go look and compare. racing-planet.de scooter-attack.com scootertuning.ca sip-scootershop.com maxiscoot.com treatland.tv (very good for Dellorto Carburetor stuff) there are many more but these are the ones that sure ship to Australia.
|
|
06jog
Scoot Member
2006 Yamaha Jog
Posts: 86
Location: Sydney
|
Post by 06jog on Mar 24, 2016 14:12:56 GMT -5
I did the exact same thing. If you want the exact same size belt then that Malossi would be an alternative. You cannot get stock Yamaha parts in Australia? Or if you don't mind ordering at webike you could get the KN Kikaku Long belt (7020-L-SS) which would be 803.5mm x 16.6mm. There are so many to choose from so it is entirely up to you. I was worried if I got a belt too big it would jump off. Yes I can by a stock Yamaha belt here for $66Regarding the clutch size 105 or 107. I never used 107mm stuff thus far. I just know that if you go with a 107mm 3 shoe clutch you will have to change the clutch bell too. I don't know if a 107mm bell would fit in there, remember the G-Lock stuff? I think there are 105mm 3 shoe clutches available though. if I use 105 I will have to keep the original bell otherwise the G-Lock system has to go either way.The clutch springs should be the same size but not sure about the torque spring. Maybe someone can chime in and enlighten us. Regarding the pipe, why not wait for a good sale? There are always sale weeks or discount code days. I always wait for a good sale when ordering larger stuff. Shopping overseas can be a pain in the ass, either you get very good product prices but expensive shipping or good shipping but bad products prices. Good pointRight now scooter-attack.com (Germany) has a 20% sale on all Stage6 stuff. Because of that I ordered today a 21mm Stage6 Racing Dellorto carburetor for 80 Euros! ($89USD) inkl. shipping to Japan! Something I couldn't pass up. Looking for good shipping prices to Australia, New Zealand or Japan look at racing-planet.de, subscribe for their newsletter and get a 10 Euro discount code. Right now they have a 10% Easter sale (23.3 - 28.3). That's a great deal. I might fill a trolley with Stage 6 stuffWhy the jump to 21mm. What's wrong with the 19mmHere a couple of shops that you can go look and compare. racing-planet.de scooter-attack.com scootertuning.ca sip-scootershop.com maxiscoot.com treatland.tv (very good for Dellorto Carburetor stuff) there are many more but these are the ones that sure ship to Australia.
|
|
|
Post by spaz12 on Mar 24, 2016 14:33:36 GMT -5
The torque springs are the same, just different stiffness as you go through the colors. Clutch springs for the stock 105 and 107 are the same as well. A lot of the aftermarket clutches use specific springs for specific clutches.
As far as fitting a 107? They sell a 107 for the Jog so it must fit. They're not really needed though unless you're going to a mid race or higher cylinder. I'd replace the silly ass torque converter first.
|
|
|
Post by tsimi on Mar 24, 2016 16:47:11 GMT -5
The 19mm is fine, for now. The 21mm is a future investment. Just one of those "actually don't need but its cheap" shopping. A racing Dellorto carb for under $90 shipped to Japan is very cheap. If I only had more $$$ right now I would have filled that shopping basket with lot more stuff. Crank, crank bearings, roller weights, pull choke, throttle wire...
|
|