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[humanshield]

Nov 13, 2016 8:53:27 GMT -5 peascreek said:

A president who takes office without a mandate from the majority is going to be interesting

I would almost bet money that Hillary got millions of illegal votes from illegal immigrants.  It just hasn't been exposed....yet.

I would say a president elected by hook and crook, such as opening the borders wide open then encouraging millions of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS to vote would be even more "interesting"....and anti-Constitutional as well as illegal....but it happened under Mr. Obama and would continue under Hillary to a greater extent.

Hillary pledged to remove the restraints and encourage a massive influx of immigrants at taxpayer expense.  How does that benefit American workers?

Please feel free to correct me if mistaken.

At some point people seriously need to start looking at the "Greater Good" of ALL Americans first and not their personal agendas.
Otherwise, eventually we will ALL fall.

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Got no love at all for Hillary, but I have none for Trump either.

So far the names being tossed around for his cabinet appear to either be members or servants of the corporate oligarchy, which tells me he has no intention of following through with his talk and breaking it up. Then again, one does not get the party nomination unless one is willing to bow to them behind closed doors.

I honestly think we're toast.

By the way, the only verified voter fraud in Iowa this election so far is a Trump supporter who tried to vote for him twice via absentee ballot.

[humanshield]

The difference to me was....

Hillary was a proven criminal from her years in politics and her policies would put us all in danger.

Trump could be just as bad, but I doubt it and he has no track record of corrupt politics. We'll see.

Clearly the Benghazi thing was all about protecting the vote for Obama in 2012 rather than protecting American lives. That's the way I saw that and everything about Hillary sucked. Crooked as hell.

Again, Trump could be as bad or worse...but there's a chance he might turn out ok as Prez.

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I suggest you look into Trumps fraud involving taxes and corporate welfare in New York, it's well documented actually. Then we can read about how he willingly breaks contracts simply because he changed his mind after giving his word.

Anyone who thinks Trump isn't as crooked as Hillary didn't look very hard, sorry.

[eclark5483]

Nov 13, 2016 11:07:48 GMT -5 humanshield said:

I would almost bet money that Hillary got millions of illegal votes from illegal immigrants.

Oh PHULEEAZZE!!

Be sensible.

First of all, in order to be eligible to even get on the rosters to be able to vote, you have to be a naturalized citizen. LEGAL immigrants can't even vote.

The naturalization process, even when done through the proper channels, is gonna take AT MINIMUM 5-7 years.

The process involves taking a civics exam, that sadly, most Americans probably couldn't even pass themselves.

The problem with Trump, is sure he's saying what people want to hear. Doesn't matter if you want to call how he is saying it "politically correct" or not, but he is offering no real solutions. For instance, the wall he keeps rambling on about building (which he recently back peddled on).. I don't find it absurd the notion of actually building a wall, what I find absurd is the reasoning behind it. The claim is that it is to keep people from crossing the border illegally.

So, OK, fine, you have a means to prevent people crossing over illegally. That does NOTHING to fix the cause of the problem. The reason being, is that the vast majority of people who are in the country illegally, are only illegal because of expired Visa's. This is something Trump refuses to address, or even talk about probably because he knows if people kept themselves informed, his talking point about building a wall, would quickly crumble apart.

So what we have here in America, is literally MILLIONS of people, who legally crossed over... more then likely for work, and because of our messed up system, find themselves drowning in all kinds of bureaucratic red tape which prevents them from renewing their Visa, or even applying for citizenship... thus.. 12 million illegals!! How would a wall fix THAT??

It won't, and that's a fact!!

Personally, I would prefer that they stayed illegal... here's why..

First of all, contrary to all the fear mongering, undocumented citizens can not get ADC, FOOD STAMPS, OBAMACARE, ETC, ETC.. This is very easy to prove.. go to your local online social services website, pretend you are an illegal/ unnaturalized citizen... apply for benefits... see how far you get.

Another reason I would prefer they stay illegal... Social Security and Medicare. They can work from the time they are 16 till they are 65 and be illegal for all I care because the day they turn 65 and retire, they will not receive a Social Security check, they will not be eligible for Medicare. They will have spent the majority of their life paying free money to all of us who do qualify just because they never took the initiative to become a naturalized citizen.

So this notion that "oh a bunch of illegals must have voted for her" is not only absurd, but would be just about impossible.

[90GTVert]

This thread has been locked. Election day is over and political discussions will sooner or later end up nasty. Kudos for keeping civil this long and not forcing a lock as a reaction rather than a precaution. Many forums couldn't do that. Thank you.