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Post by humanshield on Dec 23, 2016 12:20:40 GMT -5
Man!
Uber became a mutibillion dollar business off the backs of drivers and their drivers own cars.
Now, Uber is rushing to eliminate the drivers and keep ALL the profits for a few billionaire corporate goons.
But then, McDonalds and many other businesses are also rushing to find ways to eliminate human "interference and profit draining".
So are we headed eventually for a world where about 10 people own everything and make ALL the money using robotics in place of human labor?
What happens to all the jobless humans?
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Post by eclark5483 on Dec 23, 2016 14:03:21 GMT -5
Ever see the movie Wall-E?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 14:50:46 GMT -5
Man! Uber became a mutibillion dollar business off the backs of drivers and their drivers own cars. Now, Uber is rushing to eliminate the drivers and keep ALL the profits for a few billionaire corporate goons. But then, McDonalds and many other businesses are also rushing to find ways to eliminate human "interference and profit draining". So are we headed eventually for a world where about 10 people own everything and make ALL the money using robotics in place of human labor? What happens to all the jobless humans? It is just a shift in the labor market and now folks will need to know how to build and maintain those robots instead of asking "Do you want fries with that?". This will take a much better education system than we have now. Uber is dreaming. Driverless vehicles as they have decided to try to use are at least 10-20 years away...maybe longer. I know about Google's testing and all but, there is no way to program a machine to anticipate what the ignorant drivers and pedestrians are capable of doing out there...you have seen them. Bill |
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Post by humanshield on Dec 23, 2016 16:19:30 GMT -5
Man! Uber became a mutibillion dollar business off the backs of drivers and their drivers own cars. Now, Uber is rushing to eliminate the drivers and keep ALL the profits for a few billionaire corporate goons. But then, McDonalds and many other businesses are also rushing to find ways to eliminate human "interference and profit draining". So are we headed eventually for a world where about 10 people own everything and make ALL the money using robotics in place of human labor? What happens to all the jobless humans? It is just a shift in the labor market and now folks will need to know how to build and maintain those robots instead of asking "Do you want fries with that?". This will take a much better education system than we have now. Uber is dreaming. Driverless vehicles as they have decided to try to use are at least 10-20 years away...maybe longer. I know about Google's testing and all but, there is no way to program a machine to anticipate what the ignorant drivers and pedestrians are capable of doing out there...you have seen them. Bill That'll work....until they build ROBOTS to fix the ROBOTS ! grrrr If they can just make the crash statistics for driverless cars even 1% better than human driven cars...dunno Bill....robots don't drink and drive or text and drive so even "some" crashes might be FAR safer than humans behind the wheel....statistically speaking. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 16:53:46 GMT -5
It is just a shift in the labor market and now folks will need to know how to build and maintain those robots instead of asking "Do you want fries with that?". This will take a much better education system than we have now. Uber is dreaming. Driverless vehicles as they have decided to try to use are at least 10-20 years away...maybe longer. I know about Google's testing and all but, there is no way to program a machine to anticipate what the ignorant drivers and pedestrians are capable of doing out there...you have seen them. Bill That'll work....until they build ROBOTS to fix the ROBOTS ! grrrr If they can just make the crash statistics for driverless cars even 1% better than human driven cars...dunno Bill....robots don't drink and drive or text and drive so even "some" crashes might be FAR safer than humans behind the wheel....statistically speaking. Oh, I agree they would be better drivers than a lot of the ones out there now for the exact reasons you stated. The problem is in the software. I have done a bit of reading on this and it is fascinating. Picture a worse case scenario (there are many but this is just one) where the car has to decide to turn left and kill 6 nuns crossing the street or go straight or turn right both of which will kill you. That has to be in the code and would you buy a car that will sacrifice you if it thinks it needs to? Or, would you buy a car that will kill the nuns? It was very interesting to see how they tried to get around that, but they can't. It will be a closely guarded secret because, they will not want you to know what your new car will do in that situation. Bill |
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Post by greggkinney on Dec 23, 2016 18:33:07 GMT -5
That whole driver less car concept is scary to the little guy cruising the shoulder on a scooter. Why uber when you can scoot?
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Post by humanshield on Dec 23, 2016 19:28:17 GMT -5
That'll work....until they build ROBOTS to fix the ROBOTS ! grrrr If they can just make the crash statistics for driverless cars even 1% better than human driven cars...dunno Bill....robots don't drink and drive or text and drive so even "some" crashes might be FAR safer than humans behind the wheel....statistically speaking. Oh, I agree they would be better drivers than a lot of the ones out there now for the exact reasons you stated. The problem is in the software. I have done a bit of reading on this and it is fascinating. Picture a worse case scenario (there are many but this is just one) where the car has to decide to turn left and kill 6 nuns crossing the street or go straight or turn right both of which will kill you. That has to be in the code and would you buy a car that will sacrifice you if it thinks it needs to? Or, would you buy a car that will kill the nuns? It was very interesting to see how they tried to get around that, but they can't. It will be a closely guarded secret because, they will not want you to know what your new car will do in that situation. Bill I know. But this is based on "today's" technology. Remember, 100 years ago cars had hand cranks, AC was unheard of and a top speed of 25mph was "blisteringly" fast haha! 20 or even 10 years from now the technology may be far advanced from where it is now. I remember having one of those early "cellular" phones and it was a huge monster.....but hey...in the day I was "joe cool" with it. Remember when pagers was "THE personal communication device" to have? lol! |
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Post by FrankenMech on Dec 23, 2016 19:31:47 GMT -5
They will build driverless scoots... As far as the nuns etc are concerned, the robot should be programmed to recognize the 'threat' before it has to decide how many people to kill (defensive driving 101). They will need sensors in streets that the robots can query in order to 'see' those vehicles approaching an intersection without relying on it's 'visual' sensors with their huge processing overhead. Nuns will need to wear tinfoil hats and panties in order to give a bigger radar reflection  Of course by the time these driverless vehicles hit the road in any number we will ALL be wearing tinfoil hats. Speaking of cars and drivers. Consider the Pizza etc delivery drivers turning wear and tear on their car into cash. When maintenance and wear etc are considered those drivers are not making squat. The rich and their corporations are draining the blood from all of us. Right now the only decent jobs are ones that do require an on site human touch that can't be outsourced. Unfortunately, the robots will take many of those jobs but they may still need some human operator input for higher level decision making. BTW- Outsourcing is getting more difficult to justify as wages and living standards are rising in other English speaking countries. |
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Post by humanshield on Dec 23, 2016 19:35:00 GMT -5
They will build driverless scoots... As far as the nuns etc are concerned, the robot should be programmed to recognize the 'threat' before it has to decide how many people to kill (defensive driving 101). They will need sensors in streets that the robots can query in order to 'see' those vehicles approaching an intersection without relying on it's 'visual' sensors with their huge processing overhead. Nuns will need to wear tinfoil hats and panties in order to give a bigger radar reflection Of course by the time these driverless vehicles hit the road in any number we will ALL be wearing tinfoil hats. Speaking of cars and drivers. Consider the Pizza etc delivery drivers turning wear and tear on their car into cash. When maintenance and wear etc are considered those drivers are not making squat. The rich and their corporations are draining the blood from all of us. Right now the only decent jobs are ones that do require an on site human touch that can't be outsourced. Unfortunately, the robots will take many of those jobs but they may still need some human operator input for higher level decision making. Let me introduce you to my AI friend......Frank....meet SkyNet......  |
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Post by FrankenMech on Dec 23, 2016 19:47:00 GMT -5
Skynet is getting all too close to reality.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 19:48:41 GMT -5
Skynet does not like you guys talking about Skynet.
Bill
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Post by larrball on Dec 23, 2016 19:49:50 GMT -5
Man! Uber became a mutibillion dollar business off the backs of drivers and their drivers own cars. Now, Uber is rushing to eliminate the drivers and keep ALL the profits for a few billionaire corporate goons. But then, McDonalds and many other businesses are also rushing to find ways to eliminate human "interference and profit draining". So are we headed eventually for a world where about 10 people own everything and make ALL the money using robotics in place of human labor? What happens to all the jobless humans? Ask yourself one thing. If i have no job (or not enough of one to pay bills) and have little income. Who is buying all the stuff the bot's and rich are making? Is some of the stuff you really need (not want) something you could ether make/plant/fab/find or do without? Would you shop at a Doller tree <--- hold on i'll answer that for you... Yes, i would and the wife will as-well or she's rideing in the milk crate on the front of the scooter holding the GPS. |
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Post by liftit on Dec 23, 2016 21:28:58 GMT -5
So are we headed eventually for a world where about 10 people own everything and make ALL the money using robotics in place of human labor? What happens to all the jobless humans? Its called universal income. Nordic countries are already moving towards it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 23:00:56 GMT -5
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Post by FrankenMech on Dec 24, 2016 3:20:39 GMT -5
I remember a SF story about the little people having 'jobs' where they had to use a certain quota of consumer goods made by robotic factories every day. Wear a certain number of pairs of pants and scuff the knees, drive a certain number of golf balls, eat a certain amount of food. -Of course the 'rich' didn't have to...
I don't know if they still do it, but Japan tried to keep everyone employed to 'save face' doing a task of some type rather than have welfare or universal income.
Welfare was a word 'picked' out of the Constitution to make it sound like the program was a 'right' or 'entitlement'.
Many years ago I remember reading that 5 men jointly owned all the hydraulic equipment companies in the world which all competed against each other. I never quite understood why they would want them competing against each other. It sounded more like a good ol' boy monopoly to me.
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Of course by the time these driverless vehicles hit the road in any number we will ALL be wearing tinfoil hats.
