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Post by aaliyahsfire on Jul 30, 2011 17:07:52 GMT -5
HI, I JUST BOUGHT A 2008 JCL ONLINE IN MARCH. WITHIN A MONTH AFTER GETTING TH ESCOOTER, I STARTED HAVING PROBLEMS. MY SCOOTER HAS BEEN OUTSIDE AND HAS BEEN RAINED ON FOR A FEW WEEKS. I TRIED TO START MY SCOOTER ELECTRICALLY, BUT IT WOULDN'T START AT ALL. WHEN I KICK STARTED IT, IT STARTED, BUT THEN THIS LOUD NOISE CAME FROM IT. WHEN I TRIED TO REV IT UP, THERE WAS MUCH DIFFICULTY TRYING TO TURN THE THROTTLE. IT'S AS IF IT WAS STUCK. THE BATTERY IS FULLY CHARGED AND THE HORN AND LIGHTS WORK, BUT THE LOUD NOISE PERSISTS. IT HAS GAS AND OIL. CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME FIGURE OUT WHAT MY PROBLEM IS?
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Post by tlfreek on Jul 30, 2011 18:16:54 GMT -5
WHATS THE LAWNMOWER PLACEMENT IN YOUR TITLE SUGGEST?
WHAT NOISE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE THROTTLE IS STUCK? YOU CANT APPLY MORE THROTTLE (GAS) OR THE BARS ARE STUCK OR WHAT?
FIND OUT WHERE THE NOISE IS COMING FROM AND GET BACK TO US. MY BET IS THE NOISE IS COMING FROM YOU SCREAMING "WHAT IS WRONG WITH MY SCOOTER"
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Post by aaliyahsfire on Jul 30, 2011 19:18:16 GMT -5
CUTE. I 'M ASSUMING THE NOISE IS COMING FROM THE EXHAUST. I DON'T MUCH OF ANYTHING ABOUT SCOOTERS. I TIGHTENED THE BOLTS ON THE MUFFLER DOWN AND THE NOISE EASED UP AND THE SOUND WAS THEN SMOOTH. AFTER RIDING IT FOR ABOUT FIFTEEN MINUTES, THE NOISE CAME BACK AGAIN. AND YES, THE THROTTLE SEEMS JAMMED. I CAN'T APPLY MUCH WITHOUT SPRAINING MY WRIST TO TURN IT. ANY SUGGESTIONS SIR? WOULD I BE ABLE TO PLACE A VIDEO ON HERE FOR YOU TO SEE WHAT I MEAN?
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Post by Bong on Jul 30, 2011 19:23:58 GMT -5
So, If ya start the lawnmower the scooter sputters??? I think it's jealous! Just joking!!!! Has the scoot sat outside for a while??? A few weeks outside without any attention would make you sputter too  You may need to drain the gas and clean the carb. It does start so that's a good sign!! Maybe just a good cleaning will have it up and running again. Try some seafoam in the tank for an easy fix or a full on carb cleaning. spray a bit of WD40 down the thrttle cable and work it in. Carefull not to snap the cable though. |
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Post by jmkjr72 on Jul 30, 2011 19:25:40 GMT -5
why are you still shouting or is your caps lock stuck on
upload the vid to you tube and then use the youtube button to post it
if it has been out side and sitting in the rain im sure there are many things that are now rusting and will be binding the throttle and rear brake are cables that will rust and jam easily
mositre can get into switches and cause you ele stuff to not work
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Post by Fox on Jul 30, 2011 19:49:07 GMT -5
Question: Why is my scooter messed up?
Answer: You left it out in the rain for weeks.
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Post by aaliyahsfire on Jul 31, 2011 10:37:46 GMT -5
Drain the gas and clean the carb? Is that something I can do myself? I'm sure if I take it to a shop, they're going to charge me an arm and a leg. Excuse my ignorance, but what's seafoam? Should I try the seafoam before I get the tank drained and the carb cleaned? I'm going to do the youtube thing so you guys can get an idea as to what I'm talking about.
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Post by jmkjr72 on Jul 31, 2011 11:28:11 GMT -5
you could try and add the seafoam first but being we dont know where you are and if it was rained on for weeks with ethonal in the fuel chances are you have so much water in the fuel your lucky it started
to drain the gas you will need to find a couple of things
the fuel line that comes from the gas tank to the carb (run this into a gas can you may need some more hose if your cage has a pretty full tank and you are useing it a lot you can dipose of this gas into the tank of your cage)
next you will need ti find your vacuum line for your petcock (fuel shut off) this will be a smaller line going to the same place on the tank as the fuel line
now find a way to pull a vacuum on that line and hold it i use a vacuum brake bleeder but you could suck on it and then pinch the line off with vise grips
seafoam is the only additive to ever think about or ever use on a scooter 2 stroke or 4 stroke for your gas it will help clean your carb it will prevent fuel from going bad
while your tank is draining you can remove the carb and take the bowl off the bottem of the carb
once the bowl is off spray the carb down with cleaner( i like to use starting fluid) your not looking to clean the outside but the inside
then you should be able to see your jets pull them out spray them with cleaner and make sure you can see thru them
if you decide to pull your auto choke off be ready to buy a new oring for it
put every thin back together as soon as all the gas is out of the tank hook the lines back up
fill the tank up and put 1.5 oz of seafoam per gallon in
put a new spark plug in clean the air filter
check your oil for water if its a 4 stroke
spray somt starting fluid in the carb and start her up
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Post by tlfreek on Jul 31, 2011 14:23:00 GMT -5
not sure how we got to water in the gas, but you should not have water in the gas from leaving it outside when it rains. if that were the case half of the 500 million scooters made by china would be inop right now. I think there is something else going on - take a vid - lets see.
also, this somewhat ties to your topic, I leave my lawnmower outside in the shed which is does not have a wall on the south side. It rains like heck here and on that thing for moths. I dont put stabil in it and it always starts - Its 12 years old.
vid would help here.
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Post by Goosey on Jul 31, 2011 14:37:58 GMT -5
As far as the noise goes, how loose were the screws underneath for the muffler? You said tightening them helped...if it was very loose the gasket may have fallen out of there. It looks like a metal o'ring.
If it sat for a few weeks the battery probably went down enough to keep you from starting it electronicaly. The batteries in these things are not the best.
Was your scooter knocked down while it was outside? Check the cables going into the throttle handle for any loose or bent metal parts where the cable goes into the handle.
"DO NOT TRY TO RIDE THE SCOOTER UNTIL YOU CORRECT THE THROTTLE ISSUE" if the throttle sticks you can get hurt badly.
And anyone can work on their own scooter if you are willing to learn what the parts are and try.
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Post by jmkjr72 on Jul 31, 2011 14:56:10 GMT -5
not sure how we got to water in the gas, but you should not have water in the gas from leaving it outside when it rains. well its real simple gas attracts moisture and now that most of the fuel in the us has ethanol in it it attracts more water the fact that it sat long enough to rust the throttle cable im going along the theory that it sat long enough for the gas to attract a good chunk of water unless the tank was full to the top this is one of 2 reasons we stabilize gas one is to prevent it from going stale and the other is to help reduce its ability to attract moisture |
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Post by Fox on Jul 31, 2011 16:35:53 GMT -5
If you tell us what town/state you are in there's a good possibility a club member is near you that can help you get it up and running again. Also, I second what Goosey said about the throttle cable. If it's rusty you should get a new one cause if it sticks while you are riding you can wreck. I have scars and a bum knee to prove it. 49ccscoot.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=genchat&action=display&thread=1674&page=1 |
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Post by tlfreek on Jul 31, 2011 19:16:30 GMT -5
not sure how we got to water in the gas, but you should not have water in the gas from leaving it outside when it rains. well its real simple gas attracts moisture and now that most of the fuel in the us has ethanol in it it attracts more water the fact that it sat long enough to rust the throttle cable im going along the theory that it sat long enough for the gas to attract a good chunk of water unless the tank was full to the top this is one of 2 reasons we stabilize gas one is to prevent it from going stale and the other is to help reduce its ability to attract moisture who's we? like I said I have never had to stabilize gas....ever. Could it happen? sure.. but I would not be so wiling to point my finger there now. if it had sat for a year then yes I would agree with you but not two weeks. the trick on this stuff is keep it simple. I dont think its water. Oh, You might also want to re-read the symptoms the OP is claiming. didnt start electrically but started through kick start, made noise and throttle is difficult to turn. if she is gonna check water in gas she might as well check her tire pressure. |
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Post by jmkjr72 on Jul 31, 2011 19:32:59 GMT -5
well its real simple gas attracts moisture and now that most of the fuel in the us has ethanol in it it attracts more water the fact that it sat long enough to rust the throttle cable im going along the theory that it sat long enough for the gas to attract a good chunk of water unless the tank was full to the top this is one of 2 reasons we stabilize gas one is to prevent it from going stale and the other is to help reduce its ability to attract moisture who's we? like I said I have never had to stabilize gas....ever. Could it happen? sure.. but I would not be so wiling to point my finger there now. if it had sat for a year then yes I would agree with you but not two weeks. the trick on this stuff is keep it simple. I dont think its water. Oh, You might also want to re-read the symptoms the OP is claiming. didnt start electrically but started through kick start, made noise and throttle is difficult to turn. if she is gonna check water in gas she might as well check her tire pressure. so it must mean you live in a climate where you dont have to store your stuff or you are just asking for problems ill give you an idea a good chunk of the work i do out of my shop is every spring from the idiots that didnt stabilze there gas before storage as for a bike that sat for years you would be needing a new tank or to strip and recoat the inside of the tank have you ever tried to run something that has bad/watery gas in it if it starts and runs it runs like crap and being the op cant twist the throttle easy besides a rusty throttle cable it could be the slide in the carb sticking from guess what rust but again without the op posting a video of what it sounds like no one can help and till i hear that video i will stand by a fuel related issue |
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Post by tlfreek on Jul 31, 2011 20:25:06 GMT -5
who's we? like I said I have never had to stabilize gas....ever. Could it happen? sure.. but I would not be so wiling to point my finger there now. if it had sat for a year then yes I would agree with you but not two weeks. the trick on this stuff is keep it simple. I dont think its water. Oh, You might also want to re-read the symptoms the OP is claiming. didnt start electrically but started through kick start, made noise and throttle is difficult to turn. if she is gonna check water in gas she might as well check her tire pressure. so it must mean you live in a climate where you dont have to store your stuff or you are just asking for problems ill give you an idea a good chunk of the work i do out of my shop is every spring from the idiots that didnt stabilze there gas before storage as for a bike that sat for years you would be needing a new tank or to strip and recoat the inside of the tank have you ever tried to run something that has bad/watery gas in it if it starts and runs it runs like crap and being the op cant twist the throttle easy besides a rusty throttle cable it could be the slide in the carb sticking from guess what rust but again without the op posting a video of what it sounds like no one can help and till i hear that video i will stand by a fuel related issue I live in the rainy pnw. I have many race bikes which are stored with race gas for the off season for around 7 months. I have done this for years and have never had a problem EVER - I do this with the slew of regular street bikes i have and every other gas consuming devise i have other than my car or truck. My lawnmower (as mentioned before) keeps going after all the abuse I throw at - which is 0 maintenance ( by deisgn) I hate it and need an excuse to get another one. If the OPs scooter is like any other scooter - with no defects to the tank a good seal on the cap, didn't park it under teh Pacific Ocean - it aint water in the gas. Your example above is perfect but guys who have let there bikes sit, which is what I said on my earlier post. I have gas in my car that has been there for 4 weeks and I have parked in the rain - sun too. should I drain my tank? |
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