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Post by repherence2 on Aug 14, 2021 1:17:44 GMT -5
by my count you have about 5(?) pipes for this thing? I am curious, why? It seems like everything you have selected outside the Arrow will be great for a bigger stroker, why not use one of them? Just like collectin' parts?  I am very curious to hear this motor run and see how it performs. As far as I know this is a rare-er setup and not a lot of information is online about it, not in english anyways.
quite frankly, yes, "Just like collectin' parts".
1. 26mm black canister V8. (to pass sound level requirement for yearly safety check)
2. Arrow pipe. (it came up on CL for $300 and i always thought they looked COOL. i read that they were pretty good pipes)
3. Taiwan Scorpion-type exhaust. (always wanted one of these for the novelty. the OG pipes here was the "Scooter Alley Scorpion". straight up shitty looking out of the Philippines but i only heard and read good things about it. had to have one to see what it was about for myself.)
4. Yasuni C16. (recommended to me by a forum member once i ported the Taida bore)
i have always wanted to see what the Honda craze here on Oahu was all about. i was one of those guys in my prior years that Dreamed of Honda Go-Fast-Parts, poorer, now i'm making lots of overtime so i been buying Dio parts. these parts are to test/verify hype for my own self. i have read and heard a lot of good things about the Scorpion-type pipes, so i bought one. i read a lot of good things about the C16 and 190mech recommended that pipe when i ported the 50mm Taida bore to Corsa-type exhaust duration.
this is for my own experimentation. part of it is for shits and giggles, it's me taking my stab at the Honda moped scene here on Oahu. i used to get picked on when i rode my stock Ningbo GTX. then i built up a 54mm x 41mm and it outran most of the Hondas here. im a Minarelli guy. but i kind of reached a personal pinnacle for myself in that realm with a low rev fat bore (>10k rpm) set up. nothing more to prove on that engine as far as eating up the Hondas.
this Dio stuff has always intrigued me. parts are bountiful here for Dio. neat stuff. exotic stuff. Dio stuff is more available and cheaper that Jog stuff here at local shops.
So the set up on the engine right now is a Taida 50mm bore and piston kit that i bought off of CL for $100. it did not come with a cylinder head. i went to 808Cycles and bought a 50mm "unknown" head for it (i should have bought the Prodigy one). i figured i'd port the bore to Corsa timings to make a "fat" (50mm vs 47mm) Corsa for $100. i tried to order the C16 at 808Cycles many weeks ago. around that time, the Scorpion-type pipe appeared on the shelves at 808Cycles. items moves pretty fast at that shop so when i see it now, i buy it. you never know when you'll see it again.
the Arrow was bought because it was cheap and local brand new. then i went to Qwik Fix Garage and asked the owner what he would run with an Arrow pipe. he sold me the Malossi MHR Replica bore. so originally this engine was set up with the MHR Rep and the Arrow.
then the Taida 50mm popped up on CL so i had to jump on that for some $100 porting experince. going to use the C16 as recommended to me to extract some power out of this faux Corsa and see if it can rev to +12K.
in the end, this engine is going on a 4 stroke moped like this... Sleeper.
im looking into buying 2 more blocks. one for the MHR Rep and Arrow set up. and the other for a mid stroker set up.
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Post by 808ministroke on Aug 14, 2021 4:43:27 GMT -5
you look like you got it all planned out, can't wait to see what you come up with I would be surprised if the scorpion beats out the c16 ounce ported for higher revs .
I was thinking how gy6 have bottom mount like the dio motors that it would be a relatively simple swap.
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Post by hippo008 on Aug 14, 2021 11:00:37 GMT -5
So is that 4T a 139QMB or a GY6 150? I had a Jonway 139QMB and I remember looking at it and thinking swapping in a Honda AF18 would be easy enough, the mounts look very similar. I would go so far as to say that the Chinese 139QMB scooters are partial clones of Hondas, they seem to have a *very* similar setup when you compare them. Even the frame is setup the same way, same tube diameter and bends.
It would be fun to roll up to a meet in a 139QMB chassis then start blowing smoke and ripping around like on a 2T. Scooter sleeper for sure.
Here in Massachusetts we dont have noise inspections, or any inspections for that matter. All you need is a bill of sale and $40 to register the scooter then youre good for two years. Makes sense youd want one pipe for registration purposes and another for actual use.
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Post by repherence2 on Aug 14, 2021 12:53:23 GMT -5
you look like you got it all planned out, can't wait to see what you come up with I would be surprised if the scorpion beats out the c16 ounce ported for higher revs . I was thinking how gy6 have bottom mount like the dio motors that it would be a relatively simple swap.
i was wondering the same thing too about the Scorpion vs the C16. that's why i have both, gotta find out for myself.
i dont think the gy6 is compatible to honda, it's the 139qmb(?) that i think is a direct bolt up. haven't found it in writing, just an idea i have.
gy6 look more like one Jog/Minarelli mount, on the top of the case.
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Post by repherence2 on Aug 14, 2021 13:41:53 GMT -5
So is that 4T a 139QMB or a GY6 150? I had a Jonway 139QMB and I remember looking at it and thinking swapping in a Honda AF18 would be easy enough, the mounts look very similar. I would go so far as to say that the Chinese 139QMB scooters are partial clones of Hondas, they seem to have a *very* similar setup when you compare them. Even the frame is setup the same way, same tube diameter and bends. It would be fun to roll up to a meet in a 139QMB chassis then start blowing smoke and ripping around like on a 2T. Scooter sleeper for sure. Here in Massachusetts we dont have noise inspections, or any inspections for that matter. All you need is a bill of sale and $40 to register the scooter then youre good for two years. Makes sense youd want one pipe for registration purposes and another for actual use.
hippo008, thanks for the information/confirmation of the frame and chassis for the 139qmb. i have never had one to fiddle with or to mock up with. the idea for the swap came to me more than 5 years ago. i was at the 7-11 in Waimanalo and i seen this older Hawaiian man pull up on one of these. 
however, it was not thumpin' like a 4 stroke, it was zinging like a 2 stroke. upon further inspection, i seen that it was a SYM dd50 engine transplanted into the retro style 4 stroke bike. i tried to ask him about it and he mentioned cutting and welding but it was one of those responses where you can tell he did not do the work. ....plus too, that side of the island get plenty plenty stolen bikes...  So upon lots of internet reading and picture investigating, i found that the 139qmb bikes use a similar looking bottom mount. the "racing CDI" for Dio and 139 looks the same. even the ignition/stator/coil stuff looks the same. so, i have concluded for myself that: transplanting a Dio type engine into a 139qmb bike should be "plug and play". the wiring should all be there. the only thing missing is an oil tank for oil injection. but with the type of building and testing i want to do, im pretty sure i will never run and oil pump on these Dio type engines. thus therefore, premix for this engine.
so yes, the idea is to pull up on a Chinese bike that powered by a Dio type engine... with the intent of bashing on the Elites and DD50s that roam the streets of Honolulu looking to pick on people. but finding a nice used 139QMB bike at a nice price and fully legal is a rarity here on Oahu. just gotta be patient with cash on hand. my GF keeps telling me, "people must be wondering when that engine is going into a bike."
a couple months ago i picked up this.
all legal with only 7k miles on it. it did a whopping 25mph all the way home when i bought it. tires were super low on pressure. air mix screw was frozen. it now has an old V8 pipe on it with adjusted air mix screw and it tops out at 35, sometimes more depending on conditions, stock bore, stock trans, only modification is V8 pipe. it's a Ningbo GTX (chinarelli).
so if you see what im getting at, im going to have 2 (legal) bikes that look the same, as far as fairings and lights, but one will be powered by a Jog engine and the other will be powered by a Dio-type engine. now that i got this GTX, im starting to fart around with the old GTX that i have a build thread for. that one is going to be a semi-legal test platform. i bought it, had the title, never registered it to me, and then the License Plate and Safety Check Sticker requirement came into law a coulple years ago. i never got it registered under the new system either. if the police run the #'s, it's not reported stolen, got ticketed twice on that bike before. because it was not fully legal, the bike sat taken apart for years. i still see quite a bit of people running around with just the old "Moped/Bicycle" registration sticker. so i take it that the cops will probably only pull you over if you are doing something illegal on the moped like speeding, other than that, i dont see them pull guys over with no plate or safety sticker. so i going chance 'um.
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Post by hippo008 on Aug 14, 2021 17:59:52 GMT -5
hippo008 , thanks for the information/confirmation of the frame and chassis for the 139qmb. i have never had one to fiddle with or to mock up with. the idea for the swap came to me more than 5 years ago. i was at the 7-11 in Waimanalo and i seen this older Hawaiian man pull up on one of these.
however, it was not thumpin' like a 4 stroke, it was zinging like a 2 stroke.
You won't believe it but me and my girlfriend were looking at this *exact* Wolf Islander in baby blue earlier today! Shes only just getting into scooters and she insists whatever she rides needs to be "cute". She really liked that Wolf Islander. Now for the past few years I've been drilling into her that we are a two stroke family, we don't do the whole "not mix our gas" thing. So I had been telling her well maybe well look into an older Yamaha Vino that came as a two stroke and we can paint it, nope it had to be the Wolf Islander in baby blue. I think I may be doing the exact swap you saw a few years ago at that shopping center. Small world! One thing to remember though, the 139QMB is a horizontal motor while the AF18E is a vertical motor. I know the Dios still have underseat storage so maybe it won't be an issue? I'm not sure. You may need to hack up a seat bucket to shoehorn the motor in there. Cheap 4Ts are bountiful around here, often for less than $100. If you need one or want one let me know, I'm sure we could ship it over there somehow. Plus it would have already been registered within the USA, so registration in Hawaii wouldn't be too much of a hassle. In fact I'd even propose a trade. I need a AF16/18 case and you need a China scoot. Trade? Maybe! |
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Post by repherence2 on Aug 14, 2021 19:09:25 GMT -5
hippo008to be honest with you, i have really considered for a few years building the exact same bike that i saw at 7-11 that day. wolf islander with a SYM engine, that's a total sleeper. however, here on Oahu, the Islanders sold for like $1500 brand new, 4 stroke OMG lol! so people try to resell them used for $1000+. i am not willing to pay that much for a used 4 stroke platform. there is another kind of moped that came out recently here that is similar to the Wolf Islander. the Breeze.  these debuted here this year at $800. LED lights all around. i was also thinking of buying one of these brand new instead of a Wolf Islander. honestly, if you do make it there before me, i would be happy for you. i think it would be awesome to see a thought that i had years ago materialize and come into being (Wolf Islander with bolt on AF16/18). i'm an artist so i appreciate people's work and creativity. you should get that Wolf Islander for your girlfriend. she should ride it and get familiar with tuning and maintenance. then after a while, she will realize that a slow moped is dangerous and want more power. that's when you get a AF16/18, SYM dd50, Kymco zx?, Daelim Cordi, or a Pugeot block and have your girlfriend build it up. as far as acquiring a platform for this dd50 engine, it's just a matter of Timing. i have more than enough cash on had (but it's controlled by my GF so i dont throw it into the wind on senseless spending). A matter of the proper price, color, condition of plastics, condition of lenses...exterior stuff, as well as proper paperwork and annual registration that is up to date. i dont care about the power plant (engine) as long as it's good enough for me to get home with it after i buy the bike.
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Post by hippo008 on Aug 14, 2021 19:39:26 GMT -5
Thats an idea, starting her on a 4T for learning. So whats the plan for this DD50? Swap it into the 4T you already have?
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Post by repherence2 on Aug 14, 2021 20:20:57 GMT -5
Thats an idea, starting her on a 4T for learning. So whats the plan for this DD50? Swap it into the 4T you already have?
the one i have is a 2t chinarelli (chinese Jog engine copy from circa 2012).
the new 4T scoots being sold now days on Oahu have the same styling. these new 4T scoots have the 139qmb. im still waiting for the right condition one to pop up for sale.
the DD50 will go into a modern 4T scoot that has the same styling as my 2T GTX. so the two bikes look like twins.
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Post by repherence2 on Aug 15, 2021 11:21:05 GMT -5
I know the C16 dimensions and it's proven performance,its very hard to beat..Dont know anything about the other pipe,if they can supply some detailed dimensions I'll be glad to see what kind of build it really is...
to think of all the scripts i've spent on exhausts for the vert Honda 2 stroke engine. apologies for not listening to you and heeding your advice earlier. the build quality of the Yasuni is top notch. of all the pipes i have, the Yasuni is built the best. considering that it was gotten for $260.
such is life when i chase after novelties. but i figure, test it out and share the results with the forum. In the end, the Yasuni was the cheapest one too at $260. the mid pipe was $400. the Arrow was $300. this is going to be exciting.
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Post by 190mech on Aug 15, 2021 18:30:36 GMT -5
If you want to get some dimensions of those other 'whiz-bang pipes',I'd love to run the numbers and see what they are tuned for!
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Post by hippo008 on Aug 15, 2021 19:38:19 GMT -5
I got the dio put together today and took a test ride. The setup was Polini Corsa, MHR crank, 24mm PWK and PG Short. The PG Short was not a great pipe at all. So I swapped on the Arrow and WOW she livend right up! You will be very pleased with the Corsa + Arrow pairing. It feels very peppy and lively, like a cat after some catnip.
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Post by repherence2 on Aug 15, 2021 20:50:47 GMT -5
It feels very peppy and lively, like a cat after some catnip.
Yeah you! i like those descriptive words. ...like a cat after some catnip!
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Post by winner3ty on Aug 15, 2021 20:54:47 GMT -5
I got the dio put together today and took a test ride. The setup was Polini Corsa, MHR crank, 24mm PWK and PG Short. The PG Short was not a great pipe at all. So I swapped on the Arrow and WOW she livend right up! You will be very pleased with the Corsa + Arrow pairing. It feels very peppy and lively, like a cat after some catnip. Im either gonna get an Arrow for my ZX50 or a K2TEC. still thinking about it |
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Post by repherence2 on Aug 16, 2021 0:09:16 GMT -5
If you want to get some dimensions of those other 'whiz-bang pipes',I'd love to run the numbers and see what they are tuned for!
how do we go about doing an analysis on the Scorpion style pipe? can measure externally all the way up to the belly. after that, would have to measure the opening and length of the cone that is inside of the can.
i need to read up on measuring exhausts.
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So upon lots of internet reading and picture investigating, i found that the 139qmb bikes use a similar looking bottom mount. the "racing CDI" for Dio and 139 looks the same. even the ignition/stator/coil stuff looks the same. so, i have concluded for myself that: transplanting a Dio type engine into a 139qmb bike should be "plug and play". the wiring should all be there. the only thing missing is an oil tank for oil injection. but with the type of building and testing i want to do, im pretty sure i will never run and oil pump on these Dio type engines. thus therefore, premix for this engine.
