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Post by FrankenMech on Mar 28, 2021 12:38:19 GMT -5
I am sure many people that were infected but didn't know it at the time have been vaccinated. It's just statistically impossible for it not to have happened.
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Post by aeroxbud on Mar 28, 2021 16:20:15 GMT -5
Here they take your temperature before administering the vaccine. I have not heard anything negative about that. As far as I'm aware, even with no symptoms, you will have an elevated temperature.
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Post by FrankenMech on Mar 28, 2021 17:51:30 GMT -5
It probably depends on how long you have been infected, even zombies take some time to 'develop'... HEhe
They take my temperature every time I visit the med center, several times, and also before getting vaccinated. Hell the other day I registered 90.4°F when I entered the med center, they tried several different methods before I finally started to warm up. A person with an elevated temperature could measure normal depending on the environment. It is a reasonable precaution to go through but not 100% effective by a long shot. Taking temperatures may work better later this summer.
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Post by Kenho21 on Mar 28, 2021 19:15:12 GMT -5
I am sure many people that were infected but didn't know it at the time have been vaccinated. It's just statistically impossible for it not to have happened. I was speaking to your point of the vaccine making you less sick if you receive it while infected. We do not know that to be true. People take ideas and run with them nowadays... Obviously, people that are unknowingly infected are going to get vaccinated while actively infected. At any rate, it’s good to see vaccines available and all of the discussion seems to be in a more positive than negative direction. The outlook is better than it has been in a long time. |
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Post by FrankenMech on Mar 28, 2021 23:42:03 GMT -5
Studies are always about 6 months later than knowledge in the field. We have heard a lot of studies and people saying that being vaccinated does make you get less sick. While the vaccine is only ~80-90% effective it seems it is 100% effective at making one less sick and reducing the death rate. I figure my doctor and other doctors at the medical center may have noticed something while treating the sick so I passed it on. Sorry it isn't published yet and made you angry.
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Post by geoffh on Mar 29, 2021 14:58:15 GMT -5
From what I read/hear in the media here in the U.K. one shot of the vaccine won,t stop you being ill but it will keep you out of the ICU,ironically a building site I deliver to requires the guard to take my temp so he comes up real close to get it done,heyho no point having empty ivory towers is there.
Geoff
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Post by Kenho21 on Mar 29, 2021 16:04:31 GMT -5
Studies are always about 6 months later than knowledge in the field. We have heard a lot of studies and people saying that being vaccinated does make you get less sick. While the vaccine is only ~80-90% effective it seems it is 100% effective at making one less sick and reducing the death rate. I figure my doctor and other doctors at the medical center may have noticed something while treating the sick so I passed it on. Sorry it isn't published yet and made you angry. Angry? I thoroughly enjoy a good debate. No hard feelings at all. None of this stuff is exactly personal. We are still talking about two different ideas though. Reread if you care to. I’m okay for now though. As you were... |
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Post by Kenho21 on Mar 29, 2021 16:17:45 GMT -5
From what I read/hear in the media here in the U.K. one shot of the vaccine won,t stop you being ill but it will keep you out of the ICU,ironically a building site I deliver to requires the guard to take my temp so he comes up real close to get it done,heyho no point having empty ivory towers is there. Geoff Yes, that’s exactly right. If you receive a vaccine, then become infected after the vaccine has become effective, you will be less sick. The J&J vaccine has a 60% reduction of transmission and 100% reduction of hospitalizations. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are ~90% effective against transmission after both doses, but I have not seen any data to suggest a change in metrics, but the overall consensus is people are much less sick after being vaccinated and becoming infected. [mention]frankenmech [/mention] (against my better judgement, I’ll try again because now I’m frustrated with you.)What I was trying to say previously (and did several times) is that if you become infected and are actively sick, you should NOT seek vaccination while sick. Stay home until you are done being sick and quarantined, then get vaccinated. You keep responding with the information above, which is also tru. Very simple. Two ideas. I thought this was pretty clear. |
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Post by FrankenMech on Mar 29, 2021 16:25:45 GMT -5
Yes, If one is actively sick, stay home and quarantine, avoid spreading the virus. This means stay away from people at the grocery store, neighbors, etc, and vaccination lines. That is just SOP and shouldn't have to be repeated.
I still stand with my original statement, a lot depends on timelines. Sorry you disagree or can't understand how this could occur.
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Post by Kenho21 on Mar 29, 2021 16:35:29 GMT -5
Yes, If one is actively sick, stay home and quarantine, avoid spreading the virus. This means stay away from people at the grocery store, neighbors, etc, and vaccination lines. That is just SOP and shouldn't have to be repeated.
I still stand with my original statement, a lot depends on timelines. Sorry you disagree or can't understand how this could occur.
Nope. We completely agree now. I hope you see that. |
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Post by FrankenMech on Mar 29, 2021 16:44:08 GMT -5
Then why harass me about my original statement?
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Post by Kenho21 on Mar 29, 2021 17:08:48 GMT -5
If you or others are infected when you get the vaccine about all the vaccine may do is make it less severe for you. Above is your original statement, which implies that if you get infected, you could then seek the vaccine which will make your sickness less severe. This is not true. If you become sick and get the vaccine, you would likely become more sick. There is no information on this because it’s just generally accepted as a bad idea to do so and we don’t waste time with bad ideas in science. I felt this was important to clarify or “harass” you with because that would mean we have very sick and contagious people walking into my hospital with thousands of other very sick people and 40,000 employees. I would not usually waste my time arguing a point with you, I’ve seen you argue other points and be wrong, but I usually keep my mouth shut because It doesn’t matter. This, I care about. I work in the hospital and watch lives end and change on a daily basis because of decisions people make. I will not allow misinformation to be spread if I can help it. If I have to come off as an a**hole to you or others, I simply do not care. The possibility of one life being changed for the better because of one tidbit of information, will almost always be worth it to me. I’ve grown quite tired of this ordeal and you. If you still disagree with something I’ve said, have at it, but I’m done here. |
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Post by FrankenMech on Mar 29, 2021 17:30:35 GMT -5
If you or others are infected when you get the vaccine about all the vaccine may do is make it less severe for you. Above is your original statement, which implies that if you get infected, you could then seek the vaccine which will make your sickness less severe. This is not true. I did not imply that anyone should seek the vaccine in any way when infected. Your thinking is entirely your own delusion. |
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Post by 90GTVert on Apr 1, 2021 14:59:30 GMT -5
Just got back from my first shot. They moved people through pretty quickly. The guy at the door had me on the list twice. Then the lady that had vaccine cards waiting for everyone didn't have one for me and had to make one up. The day after I scheduled online, they called because I was eligible but not scheduled, then managed to find my appointment. It is a bit surprising to see this many flaws in something that has been going on for a while now, but overall it was pretty painless. It did strike me as ironic that I had to be around the most people I've been around in years at one time in order to get vaccinated for a virus that has largely been dealt with by keeping us away from each other.
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Post by Kenho21 on Apr 1, 2021 19:37:53 GMT -5
Just got back from my first shot. They moved people through pretty quickly. The guy at the door had me on the list twice. Then the lady that had vaccine cards waiting for everyone didn't have one for me and had to make one up. The day after I scheduled online, they called because I was eligible but not scheduled, then managed to find my appointment. It is a bit surprising to see this many flaws in something that has been going on for a while now, but overall it was pretty painless. It did strike me as ironic that I had to be around the most people I've been around in years at one time in order to get vaccinated for a virus that has largely been dealt with by keeping us away from each other. Sweet, congrats! Just curios...which version of vaccine did you receive? |
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