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Post by fox250fox on Jul 25, 2020 12:37:09 GMT -5
Hi...Have you had any repercussions from derestricting!?......Mine is giving me nothing but aggro ever since I did it!? Even gave up and moved the sensor back to its original position, that restricted it again but still gives me trouble!? It may run for 30-40mins sometimes but then it will just cut out and stop? Disconnecting the battery for a while seems to sort it but then only runs for a short time before doing it again!? Any ideas anybody!? |
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Post by fox250fox on Jul 30, 2020 12:34:16 GMT -5
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Post by colinj451 on Aug 10, 2020 14:43:19 GMT -5
Picking one of these up on Wednesday, just wondering if using a demagnetiser on the area that the magnets are removed from might stop the need for moving the hall sensor?
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Post by fox250fox on Aug 11, 2020 16:33:46 GMT -5
If I were you I wouldn't mess with it at all!! Mine is now sat at Peugeot dealer and they've no clue why it wont work anymore! Wish I'd left well alone...............  |
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Post by sajo on Aug 11, 2020 23:35:00 GMT -5
Hello, I just bought new kisbee for my son and I want to derrstrict it. I Hook up osciloscop to read the signal, since I was thinking how to simulate the signal fron clutch rather than mess with grinding. Here is the redaut if someone could reproduce this kind of signal.  [/url] |
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Post by sajo on Aug 16, 2020 23:39:12 GMT -5
Hello it is me again. So I finally success with derestriction of Kisbee. Now is fully open and with me on the scooter it goes approximately 55Km/h , but I have heavy bones  With my soon on the scooter the top speed is 70km/h. what I did is unplug the hall sensor from clutch and simulate the signal with arduino, connected arduino pin to input connector that goes to CDI. And it works like a charm. Son was driving yesterday for 3 hours without any problem.
Here is a test setup with water tightened arduino
 This is the plug that needs to be disconected  and this is arduino connected to CDI plug  |
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Post by Steve B on Aug 20, 2020 23:30:58 GMT -5
Here is a video from a French guy who seems to have derestricted the fuel injected Kisbee somehow (auto subtitles available into English): www.youtube.com/watch?v=goPF9C74EOkmagfor : Ask him in Youtube comment how he did it! This page (French, use Google Translate) has a lot of info: www.scooter-system.fr/forum/topic/61893-débridage-peugeot-kisbee-injection/They talk about a TEP 2010 tool infotech.peugeot-motocycles.fr/doc/pointdiag/outildiagfr.html, that might be able to reprogram the ECU. This ECU is for a different scooter, but gives hope for the future: www.allwheeldeals.nl/scooter-onderdelen/piaggio/piaggio-liberty/injectronic-module-malossi-voor-piaggio-liberty-4-takt-50cc-injectieHere is a Dutch page on the topic: scooterforum.net/threads/peugeot-kisbee-opvoeren.208468/When translated to English, they talk about grinding down one of the cams to fool the crankcase sensor so ECU thinks engine is spinning more slowly than it actually is. However, personally, I'm skeptical about this. The ECU must know "where" the engine is at all times and if this is used for that too, you will end up with big problems. I would try to get a workshop manual with a wiring diagram. That seems to be hard to find right now though. The next option would be to connect an oscilloscope (maybe one could get away with a simple voltmeter too) and start measuring things when the engine is running. After finding out IF there is something isolated (not affecting other things) limiting the speed electronically, figure out how to modify that signal to fool the ECU. Unfortunately (or fortunately!), I don't own the fuel injected version myself. If I did, I would be looking into this for sure. That is the happiest man i ever seen to be going 45mph |
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Post by fhol on May 17, 2021 3:55:34 GMT -5
Well done and thanks for sharing!  Hello it is me again. So I finally success with derestriction of Kisbee. Now is fully open and with me on the scooter it goes approximately 55Km/h , but I have heavy bones With my soon on the scooter the top speed is 70km/h. what I did is unplug the hall sensor from clutch and simulate the signal with arduino, connected arduino pin to input connector that goes to CDI. And it works like a charm. Son was driving yesterday for 3 hours without any problem. |
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Post by kirk234 on Jun 23, 2021 12:27:44 GMT -5
Here is a video from a French guy who seems to have derestricted the fuel injected Kisbee somehow (auto subtitles available into English): www.youtube.com/watch?v=goPF9C74EOkmagfor : Ask him in Youtube comment how he did it! This page (French, use Google Translate) has a lot of info: www.scooter-system.fr/forum/topic/61893-débridage-peugeot-kisbee-injection/They talk about a TEP 2010 tool infotech.peugeot-motocycles.fr/doc/pointdiag/outildiagfr.html, that might be able to reprogram the ECU. This ECU is for a different scooter, but gives hope for the future: www.allwheeldeals.nl/scooter-onderdelen/piaggio/piaggio-liberty/injectronic-module-malossi-voor-piaggio-liberty-4-takt-50cc-injectieHere is a Dutch page on the topic: scooterforum.net/threads/peugeot-kisbee-opvoeren.208468/When translated to English, they talk about grinding down one of the cams to fool the crankcase sensor so ECU thinks engine is spinning more slowly than it actually is. However, personally, I'm skeptical about this. The ECU must know "where" the engine is at all times and if this is used for that too, you will end up with big problems. I would try to get a workshop manual with a wiring diagram. That seems to be hard to find right now though. The next option would be to connect an oscilloscope (maybe one could get away with a simple voltmeter too) and start measuring things when the engine is running. After finding out IF there is something isolated (not affecting other things) limiting the speed electronically, figure out how to modify that signal to fool the ECU. Unfortunately (or fortunately!), I don't own the fuel injected version myself. If I did, I would be looking into this for sure. That is the happiest man i ever seen to be going 45mph |
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Post by kirk234 on Jun 23, 2021 12:29:51 GMT -5
Steve b could you give more info on how I create signal
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Post by niemand123 on Jun 26, 2021 11:29:54 GMT -5
Hello it is me again. So I finally success with derestriction of Kisbee. Now is fully open and with me on the scooter it goes approximately 55Km/h , but I have heavy bones With my soon on the scooter the top speed is 70km/h. what I did is unplug the hall sensor from clutch and simulate the signal with arduino, connected arduino pin to input connector that goes to CDI. And it works like a charm. Son was driving yesterday for 3 hours without any problem.
Here is a test setup with water tightened arduino
This is the plug that needs to be disconected and this is arduino connected to CDI plug I would really love to have that Arduino file!!! Are you willing to share that? That saves me a pain in the ass since I do understand Arduino IDE but I don't have an oscilloscope  |
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Post by db on Sept 13, 2021 7:57:13 GMT -5
There has been quite a bit of discussion about various methods of removing the restriction from the fuel injected, post 2018 model Kisbee, some more complicated than others.
One of the earlier posts refers to 'Hall effects sensors and magnets on the clutch bell. None of this is in fact correct. The sensor is a simple inductive pick-up. The 'magnets' are just raised bumps in the outer skin of the clutch bell. There are no magnets. The reason cutting out the 'magnets' failed is it created another transition which in turn created a pulse which was picked up by the inductive pick-up.
What actually needs to be done to properly deristrict is to very carefully remove 2 of the opposing 'bumps'. I found the best method was using a flap wheel to slowly remove the bulk on the bump and finishing off with a fine file then emery cloth. The important thing is to achieve a totally uniform surface as if the bump isn't there at all, no holes, gouges, flats or bumps. It has to be totally smooth and follow the profile of the rest of the clutch bell outer circumference. There is no need to move the sensor at all. There is no need to carry out complicated wiring changes. Just remove 2 oposing bumps leaving 2 intact 180 degrees apart. The key is to do it slowly and carefully so that the best possible finish is achieved. Nothing else needs doing. Obviously anyone doing this does so at their own risk.
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Post by patrik on Oct 30, 2021 4:11:52 GMT -5
I can confirm that removing two bumps from the clutch bell is working on the Kisbee 2021 model.
I bought a spare clutch bell (13€) and filed away two opposite bumps and spray painted the whole part for rust protection (maybe not neccessary). That removed the speed restriction and I have achieved a top speed of 62km/h.
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Post by aeroxbud on May 7, 2022 10:31:43 GMT -5
Well apparently this way to unleash the top speed of the kisbee will work on the newer models too. According to the comments. It's basically connecting the CVT speed sensor up to a live feed.
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Post by br4inl3ss on May 14, 2022 6:57:47 GMT -5
this is why fuel injected scooter are so hated. by both modified scooter owner, and normal people.
normal people, because they die inside when something break and they see the nosense cost of repair.
and for modified scooter people because there is either absolutly nothing to do or it cose even more than a simple fuel injected system.
most of the people i know with fuel injected scooter swapped to carb. even on purely stock scooter. yes, fuel injection is better.
but its not worth it at all only because of the cost and impossibility of modifications.
a speeduino ( used as a piggyback ) could be used, but we need technical info for the engine and electronics which we dont have. and it would need actual software tuning.
my brother HATE carburetor. he wanted to upgrade his Vino to fuel injection ( 2009 was fuel injected, all year c3/zuma 4t fuel injected ) but when he saw the cost to either repair or modify, he fell in love with carb and didnt want to swap anymore.
he is probably talking about the washed, like almost every scooter in the world. he is right on that.
yamaha can be derestricted, there is a malossi shit for that, but $$$$$$$$$ not worth it at all.
your only option is actually carb swap with all what it needs. or full engine swap.
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