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Post by jbjhillbilly on May 11, 2021 3:10:06 GMT -5
Been thinking about starting this for a while. Especially since I’ve been helping out at my friend’s scooter repair shop, and have been giving tools to more intense usage that previously. Let’s start with screwdrivers: I’ve had some good Craftsman and set of Husky (gifted) for a while, and they’ve always done ok. Nothing amazing, but I wasn’t putting them to really hard use either. Well when I started doing more work at the shop, their shortfalls became apparent- on really stuck screws, they had a tendency to cam out and strip the screw head. You know what it’s like. During this time I borrowed a buddy’s Snap-On Phillips head to see if the juice was worth the squeeze. The one thing it had going for it was ribs on the tip that grabs on well. But not $60 well. So I did a ton of searching and came up with two quality alternatives. Wera Keaftform Plus 350 and Vessel MEGADORA No. 900 JIS. German company, made in Czech Republic and Japanese respectively.     Both have laser etched tips. And they grab the hell bout some metal! While the Vessel is magnetized, the Wera is not, but holds a screw like it was. I like them both, and even bought the 8” Wera. If I had a criticism, it’s that the Wera soft grip gets really dirty. Not a true issue, but when it comes to cleaning my tools at the end of the day, you pretty much need brake cleaner. Eh, it just looks like I’ve been working. And none of them broke $15. Until next time... |
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Post by 90GTVert on May 11, 2021 8:11:58 GMT -5
If I had a criticism, it’s that the Wera soft grip gets really dirty. Not a true issue, but when it comes to cleaning my tools at the end of the day, you pretty much need brake cleaner. I made the mistake of cleaning tools with brake parts cleaner in the past. Now I have a couple of Snap-On screwdrivers with brittle handles that are breaking and coming apart. Didn't happen overnight, but eventually it dried them out. Simple Green is as far as it goes for me with most tool cleaning, unless it's something that's all metal. |
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Post by jbjhillbilly on May 11, 2021 9:34:41 GMT -5
Always leery of spraying carb or brake cleaner on anything not metal.
Apparently older Wera hard handle tools are sought after by fans of the brand. But they don’t have the laser tips which is what sets them apart for me.
The Vessel handle isn’t as spongy so doesn’t accumulate grime. But the Wera are so damn good! My friend who owns the shop is a Derby factory certifies mechanic, and is a 3rd gen wrench. After he tried mine out for a couple of days it became his go to (Iwas testing out the Vessel). For Christmas I got him a 4” and 8” and now he uses them exclusively. My next review will be their 3/8” ratchet. I’m turning into a devotee.
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Post by snaker on May 11, 2021 11:25:45 GMT -5
I've spent a career using tools, lots of time with screwdrivers.
One thing about screwdrivers is that they wear out, all of them do.
I would rather use a cheap screwdriver with a fresh tip than a quality one with a worn tip.
I found that many people, including me can toss a phillips or common hex bit far easier than a screwdriver when they get worn.
I have some quality common screwdrivers that I've done ok with and kept after grinding a fresh edge just because I like the handle grip, but phillips and their cousins got to go when they wear down.
I do like having a couple aggressive tip screwdrivers around, but be aware that they can chew up soft material screws.
I don't care for permanent magnetic screwdrivers at all.
If magnetic is needed, I would rather temporally magnetize and then demagnetize when done.
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Post by markopollo on May 11, 2021 13:56:35 GMT -5
The main thing about Phillips is there made to cam out.
JIS screws and screwdrivers are not, if you look at any older Japanese screw it will have a dot stamped on it, indicating it's meant for a JIS screwdriver (Japanese Industrial Standard) it'll give you a lot of torque on that screw since both surfaces match perfectly.
JIS screwdriver will also give you more torque on Phillips, but might still cam out if it's really stuck on there.
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Post by FrankenMech on May 11, 2021 14:10:36 GMT -5
I was off doing something and did not see the previous post.
Phillips screws were designed to have the driver cam out under torque. The only driver I use for Phillips screws is a 1/4" electric impact wrench, -the greatest thing since sliced bread for Phillips screws. I have other drivers I occasionally use to manipulate them but I use a screwdriver with replaceable tips. I hate to throw out an entire Phillips screwdriver just because the tip is worn. I resharpen flat blades. |
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Post by 190mech on May 11, 2021 19:39:03 GMT -5
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Post by captincvmn on May 11, 2021 22:11:30 GMT -5
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Post by jbjhillbilly on May 11, 2021 23:06:13 GMT -5
I would rock that if I pulled wire for a living for sure! |
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Post by jbjhillbilly on May 11, 2021 23:16:54 GMT -5
JIS was one of the reasons I started shopping. The regular drivers I had for home use weren’t cutting it at the shop.
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Post by scooternub on May 12, 2021 7:15:48 GMT -5
Always leery of spraying carb or brake cleaner on anything not metal. Apparently older Wera hard handle tools are sought after by fans of the brand. But they don’t have the laser tips which is what sets them apart for me. The Vessel handle isn’t as spongy so doesn’t accumulate grime. But the Wera are so damn good! My friend who owns the shop is a Derby factory certifies mechanic, and is a 3rd gen wrench. After he tried mine out for a couple of days it became his go to (Iwas testing out the Vessel). For Christmas I got him a 4” and 8” and now he uses them exclusively. My next review will be their 3/8” ratchet. I’m turning into a devotee. Vessel/wera won't screw up "see what i did there lol?" say like a carb float bowl screws? |
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Post by markopollo on May 12, 2021 12:57:12 GMT -5
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Post by claydoh on May 12, 2021 13:14:05 GMT -5
My HFT Hurcules Phillips bits seem to be nice and grabby, where my normal screwdrivers aren't as good. After doing some disassembly on my DSLR over the weekend, I am very interested in JIS screwdrivers.
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Post by jbjhillbilly on May 12, 2021 17:16:40 GMT -5
Always leery of spraying carb or brake cleaner on anything not metal. Apparently older Wera hard handle tools are sought after by fans of the brand. But they don’t have the laser tips which is what sets them apart for me. The Vessel handle isn’t as spongy so doesn’t accumulate grime. But the Wera are so damn good! My friend who owns the shop is a Derby factory certifies mechanic, and is a 3rd gen wrench. After he tried mine out for a couple of days it became his go to (Iwas testing out the Vessel). For Christmas I got him a 4” and 8” and now he uses them exclusively. My next review will be their 3/8” ratchet. I’m turning into a devotee. Vessel/wera won't screw up "see what i did there lol?" say like a carb float bowl screws? Not at all. But I’ll say that the ones that are gonna get jacked up are gonna get jacked. Some screws can’t be saved unfortunately. These just minimize slippage. |
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Post by scooternub on May 12, 2021 17:22:44 GMT -5
Vessel/wera won't screw up "see what i did there lol?" say like a carb float bowl screws? Not at all. But I’ll say that the ones that are gonna get jacked up are gonna get jacked. Some screws can’t be saved unfortunately. These just minimize slippage. yeah that's why I was asking about the carb bowl screws because my Craftsman screwdriver works so so but tends to slip. Im thinking about dropping few bucks at amazon on a wera or vessel, but read a lot reviews vessel tips break fast. wera jis, is jis fine for regular phillips screws? |
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