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Post by CrankingWithCG on Sept 18, 2021 2:18:41 GMT -5
Picked up something cool a few weekends ago, Naraku 72cc, 24mm carb, 16/42 gears, full cvt, V8 pipe. Probably tbh the most fun daily ive ever had. Reliable, fun, everything works.... ....time to ruin it 😂. Over the next few months, Im saving up to turn this gal into a mini stroker. 60mph and unexpected power wheelies is fun, but i wanna shit myself just a little extra. I may cave and do a 120, but the mini crank means no cutting and i actually get to build it myself (its gonna suck). So this is the thread to watch all my shortcomings! And no, im not selling it. My friend has express orders to literally choke slam me if i do, and I once made the mistake of selling an Elite. Never again will i choose a 4t over my precious rip. 2 strokes are so damn addicting   And yes, it wheelies  |
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Post by CrankingWithCG on Sept 18, 2021 17:13:52 GMT -5
Did 61 mph with 5.6g weights and walked a Harley trike while I was doing it 😂
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Post by hippo008 on Sept 18, 2021 18:45:53 GMT -5
Im on the Honda train right now too. I really like the small, light feeling of them. Hows the V8 perform? Hows it compare to other pipes?
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Post by woodini on Sept 18, 2021 19:23:29 GMT -5
Whoa
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Post by CrankingWithCG on Sept 18, 2021 20:33:43 GMT -5
Im on the Honda train right now too. I really like the small, light feeling of them. Hows the V8 perform? Hows it compare to other pipes? Way less top than the Yasuni R i had on my 70cc Zuma but its not insufferable. Just gotta wind it out. Tons of low and mid though, its great for around town. I was thinking about trying an s23 pipe but im getting a mini stroker pipe anyways. Itll chill at 40-45 and even a lil beyond with no stress |
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Post by hippo008 on Sept 18, 2021 21:22:39 GMT -5
Im on the Honda train right now too. I really like the small, light feeling of them. Hows the V8 perform? Hows it compare to other pipes? Way less top than the Yasuni R i had on my 70cc Zuma but its not insufferable. Just gotta wind it out. Tons of low and mid though, its great for around town. I was thinking about trying an s23 pipe but im getting a mini stroker pipe anyways. Itll chill at 40-45 and even a lil beyond with no stress Interesting. Theres not a lot of good info out there on Dio\elite pipes. Im trying to keep a bit of a log of all the different ones and compile them into one place. Is the S23 pipe any different than the V8? |
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Post by CrankingWithCG on Sept 19, 2021 0:09:21 GMT -5
Way less top than the Yasuni R i had on my 70cc Zuma but its not insufferable. Just gotta wind it out. Tons of low and mid though, its great for around town. I was thinking about trying an s23 pipe but im getting a mini stroker pipe anyways. Itll chill at 40-45 and even a lil beyond with no stress Interesting. Theres not a lot of good info out there on Dio\elite pipes. Im trying to keep a bit of a log of all the different ones and compile them into one place. Is the S23 pipe any different than the V8? S23 pipes are Scooterswapshop made I believe. Dont quote me tho, those guys build mainly dio motors so I figured that pipe is a great option. Never actually tried it, my buddy bought and modded one to fit on my stock Af05e and he was happy. The V8 gets a lot of shit in the groups though, only pipe worse according to them is the NCY. They dont seem all too different, I dont like peaky expansion pipes so Taida and PG seem to be the go to. If theyre different at all its probably small differences in the shape and innards that helps waves flow better. I personally think the V8 does pretty okay, I wouldnt use it higher than this Naraku though. These pipes follow more of a stock shape, whereas the PGs and Taida pipes have more an open continuous cylinder shape with no big taper. Probably helps higher revving and powerful cylinders make more power up top |
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Post by chadbullet on Sept 20, 2021 5:24:41 GMT -5
V8 and S23 are identical pipes for af16
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Post by CrankingWithCG on Sept 20, 2021 6:25:08 GMT -5
Options options......
Theres two routes I could go. A mini stroker (75cc or 85cc) using a Polini Corsa or a 50mm bore. That within itself is a choice, both paired with a 44mm crank. Smaller ccs, probably pretty reliable and dailyable, and Id build the motor myself and document it on youtube.
Or, apparently for the same price as a full mini stroke, a full out 120 stroker. The 120 is something ive been dying to do, and itd be fast. But im not sure how dailyable a 120 would be since id go air cooled. So its basically a war between speed and reliability.
Also, front end. I really dont wanna do a disc swap. Its either an expensive ass kit or I have to throw stuff together and guess. Id be keeping front drum and just switching to standard forks to eliminate the Elites horrible front end dive that makes the front brakes basically useless. The mini stroker would see speeds that would play nicely with a front drum for daily use, the 120....im not too sure. I have looked into getting an af18 clone engined bike and tuning that into a stroker, Kymco ZX50, Vitality, but theres no good ZX50s on market and I cant confirm if the Vitality is in fact a vertical af18 clone.
Thats basically where were at. Once I figure out all the front end parts ill start slowly buying the parts until winter. Its gonna be a spring bike for sure.
Also, I gotta say I cant recommend this Naraku 72 enough. It got me past 60mph and its probably the most fun daily bike ever. Shes heat seized and she still kicks ass. Thats why Im slightly looking for other bikes to stroke, this thing is soooo perfect
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Post by Sum-azn-kid on Sept 21, 2021 2:51:05 GMT -5
When u factor in machining the crank case property (not dremeled rough/uneven backyard style) the cost of a stroker would be more $$$. Also performance stroker pipes are $280+ unless u settle for a v8 stroker pipe. Maybe $160-200.
Also if your are going to swap the stem on your elite s to go with conventional style forks and drum brakes ur better off just buying a brake master, line, rotor. The stem is the most $$$ part of the swap if u buy a stem instead of cut and weld. After having good brakes its hard to go back to drum and stock S frontend.
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Post by CrankingWithCG on Sept 21, 2021 7:52:34 GMT -5
When u factor in machining the crank case property (not dremeled rough/uneven backyard style) the cost of a stroker would be more $$$. Also performance stroker pipes are $280+ unless u settle for a v8 stroker pipe. Maybe $160-200. Also if your are going to swap the stem on your elite s to go with conventional style forks and drum brakes ur better off just buying a brake master, line, rotor. The stem is the most $$$ part of the swap if u buy a stem instead of cut and weld. After having good brakes its hard to go back to drum and stock S frontend. Its pretty close to what I was quoted for a 120 build and building the mini stroker myself. And im still comparing all my front end options and reading up on stuff. The front drum wouldnt be that bad if it werent for that stupid link suspension the front uses. I probably wont go disc unless i really want to or if i do the 120. Mini stroker unless i go taller than the 9-1 gears is only gonna max around 70ish. A stroker pushing 90 on a street scooter, id definitely do disc |
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Post by Sum-azn-kid on Sept 21, 2021 15:07:03 GMT -5
Dang must be an $$$ ministroke set up if its the same money as a full stroker. Are u running all rare Italian parts on that mini stroker?
Idk I had a metropolitan front brake set up on my old 72cc mini stroke crank 89 elite e and it felt ok, id have to hit both brakes hard to stop at above 50mph. But on my new 72cc stoke stroke 89 I went disk and it stops way better. From my experience whats couple hundred $$ if u can stop better and not T bone a car that cut u off or didn't stop at a stop sign... 50-60mph is fast enough to warrant disk brakes. Alot of stock 50cc mopeds/scooters come with them now. I think older ones just used drum brakes to cut costs. But to each their own.
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Post by CrankingWithCG on Sept 21, 2021 19:55:27 GMT -5
Dang must be an $$$ ministroke set up if its the same money as a full stroker. Are u running all rare Italian parts on that mini stroker? Idk I had a metropolitan front brake set up on my old 72cc mini stroke crank 89 elite e and it felt ok, id have to hit both brakes hard to stop at above 50mph. But on my new 72cc stoke stroke 89 I went disk and it stops way better. From my experience whats couple hundred $$ if u can stop better and not T bone a car that cut u off or didn't stop at a stop sign... 50-60mph is fast enough to warrant disk brakes. Alot of stock 50cc mopeds/scooters come with them now. I think older ones just used drum brakes to cut costs. But to each their own. Ruima crank, Corsa kit or a bigger cylinder, with everything i need to put the motor together and tune it. New carb, pipe, all that. The stroker i got quoted was just cheap. The mini stroker I kinda expected it to be above 1k. I could do it way cheaper, but i wanna do it right. Dont want my daily blowing up from shitty parts. And if i go disk, its gonna be the Alibaba kit or a robbed chinese front end which would suck more than the alibaba. Im fine with a $1k+ motor, dropping that much on an ncy kit is way too much for me |
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Post by Sum-azn-kid on Sept 21, 2021 21:02:30 GMT -5
I personally stay away from the ruima crank if u don't want to break down. Ive seen them crack at the oil pump splines... Both the orange stuffed and not stuffed cranks. Thats been a thing since before I got into mopeds around 2010.... More recently my friends crank broke the other month while we were riding I had to go home and pick him up with my truck. Hopefully u have better luck than them.
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Post by CrankingWithCG on Sept 21, 2021 21:40:55 GMT -5
I personally stay away from the ruima crank if u don't want to break down. Ive seen them crack at the oil pump splines... Both the orange stuffed and not stuffed cranks. Thats been a thing since before I got into mopeds around 2010.... More recently my friends crank broke the other month while we were riding I had to go home and pick him up with my truck. Hopefully u have better luck than them. Theres some tfc stuff i may look into, but as of now plan is the Ruima. Not gonna go malossi or Corsa or anything, just a bigger cylinder. Not pushing rpms, just a more cc pushed build |
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