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Post by Fox on Feb 18, 2013 20:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by Goosey on Feb 18, 2013 22:01:52 GMT -5
I always saw that type with the long part braced to the ground? Is that the correct way to use it? Against the clutch?
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Post by Fox on Feb 18, 2013 22:12:47 GMT -5
I don't have a clutch in front of me but I doubt it would harm anything using the clutch to hold it but I have also seen people use the ground instead. I'd be more worried about breaking the variator drive face. Whatever's clever I suppose but honestly, I've never used one of those. You can always put a rolled up rag or a block of wood between the tool and the clutch to avoid damage.
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Post by aznatama on Feb 19, 2013 3:07:56 GMT -5
Be aware that the variator in that picture has reinforced locations for inserting the prongs for that tool. Many of the variator fans that I've seen have this, and thus this method should not be used for location-less variators or you risk breaking the find off.
You can always use the same tool on the flywheel/rotor, which does have holes and is much stronger than the variator fan.
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Post by looneyscoot on Jul 13, 2014 10:03:53 GMT -5
Harbor freight sells a 12 volt impact that hooks to your scooter's battery or you can plug it into a cigarette lighter in a car. $20 is a wise investment, and it fits under the seat easily. the impact only weighs 6 pounds. I keep the impact, a spare belt, tire plug kit for emergency use. There is also a emergency manual air pump at Auto Zone that comes in handy as well. The manual pump will pump a car tire up to 60psi and it works great for a scooter tire. I have had to push my scooter for about four miles one night at about 1 am and going to someone's door at that time of the night on a back road in North Carolina wasn't even considered an option, and I didn't have a cell phone either. I think I have about $40 invested in all of the tools under my seat that will prevent me from ever doing that again. I'll carry the extra 20 lbs in weight to ensure that never happens again trust me!!!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 0:17:02 GMT -5
old thread but I gotta say that things scary. no way in hell id use that POS |
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Post by TheAmishSasquatch on Jul 18, 2014 13:58:42 GMT -5
No real need for special tools. Ive literally NEVER used one of those things. Just use an impact to pop it loose. Works every time  |
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Post by 90GTVert on Jul 19, 2014 7:25:39 GMT -5
I have used the specialty holder when broken down on the side of the road. Quite nice to have at that time unless you've got a 12V or cordless impact to carry around.
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Post by screwthe49ers on Jul 9, 2019 6:58:11 GMT -5
I remember my pepaw using a small piece of wood he whittled into a slight taper and stuck it in the plug hole of his lawn mower. Idk if he covered the end or not. I really didn't know what he was doing at the time cause I was little, I just thought it was pretty cool and macgyverish. Thinking back, it was probably so small to help prevent user error from breaking something if the nut was needing too much 'persuasion' for this particular method. As I'm in exactly this same boat in 2019 right now, hell I might give it a shot later today.
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Post by PDub on Jul 19, 2019 9:52:03 GMT -5
Oil filter wrench around the variator; rope twisted tightly around the variator; piece of wood/stick jammed against the variator and case...
lots of ways in an emergency to get that nut off...
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Post by shoom on Oct 9, 2019 9:52:18 GMT -5
After costing myself a crankshaft by stripping the threads from tightening the variator on with a impact gun, I don't mind taking the extra time now and using the locking tool and using a socket and torque wrench. It's a pain when you have to split the cases when you weren't planning to, let me tell you..
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Post by micro on Dec 25, 2021 21:41:18 GMT -5
I realize this is a dead thread but a couple points I would like to make with the preface that I'm an ASE certified master auto mechanic with over 32 years of experience. First, a little common sense will go a long way when using the rope trick. 5150 para-cord would be my rope of choice since it's a bit stiff, wont fray and cheap and easy to find. Obviously use clean rope. Also, yes an impact gun is the best choice but the original post was for use in a pinch.
As long as the variator nut isn't over torqued or otherwise seized, it should be fairly safe for the connecting rod. I would be more concerned about catching a valve open. With the spark plug out you should be able to find TDC compression fairly easily by feeling for the compression build up with a finger covering the spark plug hole. Back the piston up and insert rope. This should keep the valves safe.
I remember many years ago I had to change out a broken valve spring on an engine that was about 30 miles from a paved road, and over 100 miles from the nearest town. We used the rope trick (we used a bunch of fishing line. took forever to feed it in) to hold the valve up, a socket and hammer to remove the keepers, took two of us to get the keepers back in. It worked and the valve and piston were just fine. Mind you, this was on a farm truck with a chevy small block.
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Post by micro on Dec 25, 2021 21:43:54 GMT -5
I realize this is a dead thread but a couple points I would like to make with the preface that I'm an ASE certified master auto mechanic with over 32 years of experience. First, a little common sense will go a long way when using the rope trick. 5150 para-cord would be my rope of choice since it's a bit stiff, wont fray and cheap and easy to find. Obviously use clean rope. Also, yes an impact gun is the best choice but the original post was for use in a pinch.
As long as the variator nut isn't over torqued or otherwise seized, it should be fairly safe for the connecting rod. I would be more concerned about catching a valve open. With the spark plug out you should be able to find TDC compression fairly easily by feeling for the compression build up with a finger covering the spark plug hole. Back the piston up and insert rope. This should keep the valves safe.
I remember many years ago I had to change out a broken valve spring on an engine that was about 30 miles from a paved road, and over 100 miles from the nearest town. We used the rope trick (we used a bunch of fishing line. took forever to feed it in) to hold the valve up, a socket and hammer to remove the keepers, took two of us to get the keepers back in. It worked and the valve and piston were just fine. Mind you, this was on a farm truck with a chevy small block.
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Post by geoffh on Dec 28, 2021 15:24:10 GMT -5
If you are going to repair/maintain your own scoot you need the correct holding tool,the minarelli type as listed above by aeroxbud or this one for the 4T engines,sure you can use a 'hack' if you like but for $20 it,s foolish not use them. Geoff  |
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