Triton # 2 (T2) 49cc to 110cc & Nearly Everywhere In Between

[mattyslimz]

I think a lot of the comments that are negative on the YT base are coming from overseas where it’s more common for some to type in “TPR” or Top Performance. They’re building techniques and uses are probably different and aren’t used to seeing an American build upon their European parts. Negative comments, probably jealousy and haters of Americans.. 😂

[Delpzie]

Listen man @mattysalimz i dont think nobody hates anyone, but 2stroke scooter tunning here in EU is far more advanced then yours .... but you guys have nice 4strokes, thats not the point tho dont say it like that. Also yea most of them just want him to max it out which costs a lot of money and a LOT MORE knowledge. Also i dont feel called out but this other guy saying someone making fun of that exhaust ? Are u kidding me dude that exhaust is literally for a stock 50cc cylinder its just so weak, with so little money he can get a midrace exahust will give him double power and will drive it everyday without any problems. That exhaust is a joke dont @ me, just facts and knowledge.

[oldgeek]

Oct 5, 2019 16:47:22 GMT -5 Delpzie said:

Listen man @mattysalimz i dont think nobody hates anyone, but 2stroke scooter tunning here in EU is far more advanced then yours .... but you guys have nice 4strokes, thats not the point tho dont say it like that. Also yea most of them just want him to max it out which costs a lot of money and a LOT MORE knowledge. Also i dont feel called out but this other guy saying someone making fun of that exhaust ? Are u kidding me dude that exhaust is literally for a stock 50cc cylinder its just so weak, with so little money he can get a midrace exahust will give him double power and will drive it everyday without any problems. That exhaust is a joke dont @ me, just facts and knowledge.

Impressive, all the way from Skopje you can tell the dimensions of that pipe and calculate that it is for a stock 50cc. You are truly advanced beyond Americans. It must be tough dodging cow piles and potholes all day long, I am sure it helps your eye and hand coordination when you play your video games.

[Delpzie]

That just speaks about you not me.I dont need to prove anything to you, btw 90GTVert said him self it revs out only 10,500rpm

[oldgeek]

Oct 5, 2019 17:42:03 GMT -5 Delpzie said:

That just speaks about you not me.I dont need to prove anything to you, btw 90GTVert said him self it revs out only 10,500rpm

My opinion is at least as good as yours.

[90GTVert]

I'm not mad at anyone. I don't want to talk crap about anyone. I was just venting.

The Peace Pipe is a good pipe though. It's definitely not for a stock 49cc. There is life between hyper race and stock. It's a great pipe for what it is built for, 90-110cc street strokers that aren't gonna make power above about 10,500 most of the time because of their design. Kinda like a big version of a sport setup. I'd be really surprised if some pipe with similar revs would really increase output. If RPM goes up much, then I just don't think the stock flywheel is gonna take the abuse. At that point, I might as well just go nuts and make it a true hyper race.

That's what my current thought is. I can make this a trailer queen that goes to shows in the back of the truck. Hopefully a hyper race can take 8 straight hours of launches and wheelies around town per day there when it's it's running full steam. Then I'll use my other engine as the rider if I can ever get the big engine to seal for long. Really wish TPR or someone made an iron 54mm bore sport/midrace kit, cause it's ridiculous seeing how much of a problem sealing hasn't been with the TPR and how bad the Taiwan kit is.

[mattyslimz]

@delpzie I think your totally missing the point. If you were paying attention to the thread, he wanted to try and keep the cylinder half way tame. I believe he wanted to keep the cylinder half way reliable for long trips. The peace pipe (built by a tried and true long time 2-stroke connoisseur) will try and get as much power out of it while not screaming past 12,500.

I’d also like to add, the tuning is far more advanced over there? Yes, maybe there are a lot of shops/garages dedicated to it, but what parts can we not attain that are exclusive to you?

[90GTVert]

Also, some sites that sell the TPR 86cc say things like it MUST have 28mm carb, hyper race exhaust, inner rotor. I've got it running in a form where it actually works for riding back roads around here, and without all of that stuff, at a level that is what I initially hoped for. As a reminder, I wanted more than a Polini Corsa 70 in a top brand kit. It had to be at least as strong as my 103. I didn't want to spend a fortune on it. I had to be able to get it done in time for car shows here. I've done all of that. It has been to a car show and has cruised for 8 hours already and held up great the whole time. It runs very similar to my 103cc. The cost of the TPR 86cc kit was actually the same as the Taiwan crank and cylinder for the 103. The biggest waste of money was the HiT clutch for me. If I could have that $200 back, it would go toward an ignition instead, but live and learn. Speaking of learning... that's what this is largely about. Learning and enjoying riding.


Can we not make this USA vs Europe? The people making suggestions mean well and plenty of people in the US don't think I have a clue either. lol

[Delpzie]

Yea i dont know why is this USA EU, btw man i can assure you that polini corsa with proper tuning is stronger than that 103cc, bigger bore doesnt mean more power, also yes u can get the cylinder to work there, but its not where it is projected thats why it has reccomended 28carb etc... If you can borrow a exhaust from someone try and u will see your self, im not speaking about highend pipe that the cylinder needs, weaker than that it will have much more power and be fine for everyday.

[90GTVert]

86cc video part 11. Maintenance and the DrPulley HiT clutch.
youtu.be/zSYt2T7z-Mw

[ryan_ott]

A handmade pipe built to specific dimensions based on timings and intended rpm isn’t as good as a off the shelf pipe It’s not always about bolting on parts that should work, it’s making your build do what you intended it to do.

[90GTVert]

Part 12 video. More tuning :
youtu.be/VRHt1gib8vI

[lordverminaard]

Is it just me, or does it appear that your variator starts shifting before the clutch is fully engaged?

Looking better every time though. So far that TPR kit seems quite good.

Brendan

[geoffh]

I enjoy the videos you put on utube,if Europeans are more advanced at tuning then they hide the information in page after page of meaning less waffle or street talk,mostly guessed at speeds and how it feels to them,I see quite a few high revving noisy scoots that my mild commute build would pass if I could trust them to stay in a straight line.just crack on ignore the comments.

Geoff

[Lucass2T]

Oct 7, 2019 14:55:17 GMT -5 geoffh said:

I see quite a few high revving noisy scoots that my mild commute build would pass if I could trust them to stay in a straight line.just crack on ignore the comments.

You're quite right there actually. I grew up in the European scooter tuning era in the mid to late 2000's. I used to work as a scooter mechanic in a scooter shop and saw a lot of these hyper race builds in real life. Also knew al lot the kids who owned those scoots. Lemme tell ya, the majority of them didn't have a clue about engines and how to tune them. They bought the parts and after that be completely clueless how to build or tune it.
I know for a fact that A LOT of those hyper race builds you see on Dutch scooter forums from around this era are just thrown together bikes which ran like shit and only made the hyper race noises.

I've never seen a guy be more precise and consistent in building and tuning his bikes like Brent...