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Post by 90GTVert on Sept 26, 2022 11:10:23 GMT -5
The videos I’ve seen I want nothing to do with those so called events, especially on 2 wheels. It’s all about who can be the biggest idiot on social media. I agree. It went from such a fun atmosphere to batshit crazy, but social media has really been a big part of the downfall IMO. When you see people running up to put their heads next to tires as they do a burnout because they need to get their face in the shot; you know it's going the wrong direction. They will walk out into the street like zombies because they need that close up of whatever for their instagram. Lighting off fireworks while you do donuts in the middle of a 3 lane highway is not because you are a gearhead. The other big problem IMO is that the crowd mentality took over there. They basically figure that in a big enough group, they can do anything and some areas start to look more like a riot than just wild a car show. Social media helps there too, because someone with a lot of followers says come to x street and there's a big crowd. It takes the term "followers" to a new level. I've gone to car shows in OC for 25 years and, even as dumb as I am, I've never felt the need to attack a cop, climb a street light, run out into the road, put my hands all over people's cars... I'm not claiming in any way that I'm an angel. It does give you a good feeling TBH when you spin a tire or rip a little wheelie and people cheer. I would do this stuff anywhere/anytime and with or without cameras though. Any of my long time friends could tell you a lot of stories of stuff that I've done in cars and on small bikes as long as they've known me. I've always been stupid. Watching one of the vids from last weekend's H2O and seeing people cheer when a car hits a golf cart with a family in it is sad though. At that point I think some people lose all humanity and believe the world is just there for their entertainment.
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Post by 90GTVert on Sept 30, 2022 7:42:07 GMT -5
I've wanted to get more tuning done, but it hasn't happened. It's been windy here. Nothing awful, but enough to make it difficult to get consistent timing results for tuning. It's supposed to be more windy and rain all the way through the weekend as the remnants of Hurricane Ian affect the area, so it doesn't look like I'll be doing anything for a bit. Here's what I have done. As I mentioned a couple of pages ago, I cut some inserts for 3.5g sliders to make them 4.17g. That was a pretty random number. I thought I'd just need a little more than 4g. I installed them just before OC Bikefest. Video for that will be up today BTW. Looking forward to you guys checking that one out. Anyway, I have the drive boss shimmed 0.4mm since a new belt was installed as well, because the engine was bogging after takeoff. I described it earlier, but to recap, it feels and sounds like someone operating a manual clutch more than what I'm used to from these automatic clutches. From a stop, RPM flashes up quickly, then drops and then rises as speed increases. Prior to shimming, RPM dropped enough for it to fall out of the power and struggle till RPM came up. Shimming made it work, but I still thought something has to be wrong or have changed. It has acted like this for quite a while, even before the belt. The new belt made it a problem, where before the worn belt (much like shimming the drive boss) allowed RPM to stay up enough that it changed the feel but still ran well. I had an idea of a tuning change that I may need, but I wanted to take a quick look at the rear pulley and clutch first. Always good to make sure there isn't a glaring issue before trying to tune something. Everything was fine there, apart from the contra spring seized in the spring base. It would move when initially installed, but I had to use a screwdriver to pry the spring out. I sanded the base of the spring enough to remove a little paint. I stuck the base in the lathe and took off a tiny amount of an inward lip on the spring base. That was enough to let the spring move again, but I sprayed the bottom of the spring with dry moly lube. I don't expect that to do much. I've used the moly spray on CVT stuff before and it seems to wear off pretty quickly, but it won't hurt anything. I looked at ball bearing spring bases at ScooterTuning, but the 2 they have aren't in stock. It seems the Piaggio and GY6 contra spring stuff is listed as being the same, so I thought about getting a Taiwan made spring base (SSP-G or NCY). I decided against that because of past experience. I tried to use an SSP-G (or maybe it was still called HOCA at the time) ball bearing base on the TaoTao and it wasn't shaped properly to seal so grease would fly out from the torque driver. I ordered the Malossi Torsion Controller (plastic spring base insert to reduce friction) yesterday afternoon. Since I didn't find anything that I suspected to cause my takeoff issues, I acted on my suspicion that the clutch may have too much weight in it. The Stage6 MKII clutch has 3 spots for brass weights in each shoe. I used all of the weights, because I assumed that I want it to bite hard once it starts to grab. I'm heavy and I know it is a lot of stress so I thought the extra weight should help, and that's how I always used the clutch on the TPR 86cc. I removed 2 of 3 weights from each clutch shoe and left the 1 in the center position. That seemed to do the trick. RPM doesn't drop now after I first move. I'll just need to make sure it's not slipping too much and causing RPM to spike there. I did a couple of 0-40s just to make sure it felt OK at WOT as well and it seemed OK to me. Times were a little slow, but I was having another issue that may be partially at fault and I tend to be a little more cautious when I first change something, because I know how hard it wants to go off the line with this engine. It was acting like the engine was going to die at idle when I was getting ready to make the test passes. The weather has cooled significantly lately and dew points have been low. Density altitude on the dragy all summer was around 1400-1900ft for me around 40ft above sea level. During the 0-40s it was showing around 400ft, so more dense. I turned the mix screw in and richened the idle up a bit after and that seemed to cure the idle problem. The engine was also harder to start before those runs, which I suspect was also mixture related. I assume the clutch bedded in with the bell and grips more than it once did, causing the takeoff problem to arise. I'm hoping the Torsion Controller will arrive by early Monday so maybe I'll be able to do a little slider tuning if the wind and rain go away. The spring base insert should increase spring pressure a little, so tuning without it may be pointless. In order to do tuning, I needed some supplies though. I had multiple sets of 3.5g DrPulley sliders because they were on clearance from PartsForScooters and I figured I could make them whatever I needed, so I made up more acetal inserts. I now have 4.5, 5 and 5.5g slider sets, plus 4g with no mods, the 4.17g that I made earlier and I can take a set of inserts out to use them as 3.5g if needed. That will let me tune within 0.25g and I can modify inserts or make more if needed. The inserts do take a really long time though. I can only cut a small length at a time to the OD for a snug fit, because more than a couple slider lengths of stick out makes the acetal flex too much. Then each has to be parted off. Then I faced them all off to 14mm +/- 0.1mm. No need to be ultra-precise. It's going to take more time than it's worth and adjustments will still need to be made later. Weight on each is adjusted by facing off more material for small changes or drilling for large changes. Everything is checked on a scale to try to get each set of weights and inserts within 0.01g. It's prob not really worth the savings if you can find sliders in the weights that you want. I don't make much money and acetal isn't too expensive, so my time isn't worth enough to pass up what I saved on the weights vs the full price options. I'm also considering trying a little ignition timing change in the future. In the cylinder kit manual, Malossi specifies to set the original ignition to 16° or to use their MHR ignition. I'm not sure where setting the original at 16° lands the timing in the powerband. I looked in a PDF for an MHR ignition and saw 3 curves that are supposed to be for a 94cc. I went through the graph and tried to average out the timing of all 3 curves to show me more simply where Malossi seems to intend for the 94cc to be timed and I made my own graph. This one includes the data gathered from my TPR with the MVT DD at the same 0.35mm BTDC setting and also with an RJ34-6 CDI. The RC-One does use a 90mm conrod vs the TPR's 85mm conrod, but I checked in my calculator and that makes only a small fraction of a degree of difference. Close enough. There's that much error in pretty much any of our setting or measuring abilities. I also made a line to indicate where the MVT would be with 3 degrees of advance. The MVT is really aggressive at low RPM, but if it can take that without spark knock or any great heat increase, it would put the timing pretty close to the MHR in the powerband. Just as a reminder, peak is stated as 13,500-13,800 for the RC-One and mine generally stays there and up to over 14,000 any time it's WOT. The MHR curve may not be the best for it either, but it seems like a logical starting point whenever I get there.
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Post by 90GTVert on Sept 30, 2022 11:15:55 GMT -5
The Bikefest vid is up! Make sure you check this one out. I love watching Harley dudes grab a handful in each gear trying to keep up with the fat dude on the scooter. 🤣 The near crash was quick, but it felt like at least 30 seconds of trying to steer. That adrenaline kicked in and slowed my world down. youtu.be/fmJH0UdvuPA
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Post by 90GTVert on Oct 1, 2022 19:09:33 GMT -5
I got a comment telling me that my scoot should be muchhhhhh faster. Told me to look up Thunder Aerox 100 to see how fast it should be. It's fast. It's also built by a company that seems to build and tune a bunch of them and make custom parts for them. So it's pro-ported, custom intake, big carb, custom exhaust, and dyno tuned to 35HP. Then the rider would look tiny beside me. I really don't think mine is abnormally slow, aside from the effects of rider weight and size. I think some underestimate what these professional porters can do. Good luck matching them. Plus, people see these damn dyno speeds and think these do 100+MPH. They will not match dyno speeds in honest real world runs.
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Post by repherence2 on Oct 2, 2022 17:24:00 GMT -5
I just saw that. Assuming it must be this one... " Greatest Evar • 3 hours ago (edited) You made content; but all of this is the wrong way to tune anything.
Just get an exhaust temperature readout and call it a day. You need to read some tuning books dude; this is just amateur hour.
Are you that dude that sent a "built" engine to scooterswapshop and claimed they blew it up? Cause your blind confidence in this...overcomplicated yet still fundamentally wrong method of "testing" is almost irritating to know exists let alone to watch.
If engine building is your interest; You need professional instruction and training. But knowing your type; you think you got it all figured out.
But this is why you had to buy an engine for it to work.
Why not just get a real bike at this point? You are way too grown to be this inexperienced." His name says it all.
Bossman, Let them Hate. "just get an exhaust temperature readout and call it a day," for real... no shop nor tuner here on Oahu has ever told me to tune by EGT. all the experienced tuners here tune more by CHT vs EGT.
the way i see it, Neva Mind them Haters. no matter what you do, haters are gonna hate. we fiddle with 2T's because it is a passion for us. "get a real bike," it is a real bike. just because our passion to turn a Chinese slowped into a 60+ MPH machine involves a machine originally designed not to exceed 33 MPH, does not mean it is not a real bike. we live for a different kind of challenge.
let them spit their game and talk their sh!t, Game recognizes Game, real 2T tuners know what's up. let them clowns Hate on you. because the way i see it, you provide more to the Scoot community that he does. all he does is run his mouth, but how much people does he help? i know that deep down inside, you like to help people, but your method is "indirect". you provide videos for people that do not have any knowledge on what to do for their scoot and most of all, you facilitate the existence of This Forum. this place is a Gold Mine of wisdom, information, and knowledge. this community is Awesome. we all may not see eye to eye on everything, but this is still a place of Respect and Dignity. Nevamind what the critics say. just do you Bossman. in some way or another, there are thousands of people that appreciate you because of your videos and your forum.
Greatest Evar should bring his bike and skills to Oahu on a Cruise weekend to test how good his game is. i am sure he'd get smoked by quite a bit of folks here. ...but then again, i never really realized that the around-the-island cruises was more about tuners/riders "in search of the ultimate tune" and "tuning at it's finest" in the sense that you really get to see how well each person's tune functions as you change elevations, short hills, broad hills, rain, humidity, running mid/partial throttle through the city, or rippin' wide open on the Highway/Freeway like they do.
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Post by captincvmn on Oct 2, 2022 18:42:45 GMT -5
It’s fun & frustrating making these scoots scoot. I tell my coworkers that me buying a $300 cylinder kit is similar to a Car guy spending $15k.
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Post by hippo008 on Oct 3, 2022 9:47:04 GMT -5
It seems to me youre in the right neighborhood for the RC-1. Youre running essentially exactly what Malossi specifies. The Aerox in the video is tuned well outside the specs Malossi puts out. You said it yourself. Custom porting with matched custom pipe (aka the dream setup), larger intake, larger carb, smaller rider and different base platform. IMO you are on the money in terms of power output. Its just a matter of getting everything tuned correctly and keeping it in tune so you can enjoy it.
However if we are talking fast scooters the fastest I have seen are either 130cc drag scooters from the Dominican guys or ZipStunter on YouTube with his 100c RoosT Havoc setup. Nutty.
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Post by 90GTVert on Oct 3, 2022 10:43:20 GMT -5
Make no mistake, I've never thought I was or intended to be the fastest scooter (scooterer?) on earth. That's what my dreams of a turbo 2T sled engine with hundreds of HP in the TMAX are for. Luckily for my bones and organs, I can't afford that. lol I have no great desire to own most of these super wild 2Ts. They look fun, and it would be cool to see what they're like in person, but the RC-One is really more money than I should ever spend for acquisition and maintenance. I sold my Mustang that was my baby for years because it got ridiculous to keep up with. I felt like I was just watching money disappear and spending more time working on it than ripping up tires. Don't wanna get there with a scooter and I think I'm getting to the point that much farther and I'm there.
All of that said, anyone out there that wants to show up beside me can find out how slow I am. Bring a top fuel car if you want. I enjoy twisting the throttle alongside anyone or no one, win or lose. If I don't crash, it was fun. For all the haters that give me a hard time, the only people that have showed up so far are Ryan and Brandon (MKDuece) and we all had a blast together even in lousy weather with some flooded roads. Crap talking is for keyboard warriors. Real enthusiasts enjoy being around other tuned machines and people with similar interests and can respect each other.
While I'm at it, I guess my show vids annoy people. I've lost 6 subscribers so far on the Bikefest video. Normally I gain subscribers on vids. Car show vids go the same way, but not as bad as losing 6 in a few days. They get way less interest and views than any other videos that I do. For me, life doesn't get much better than watching a Harley twisting the throttle in the rear view trying to keep up. It seems once again I'm out there on my own though, because people that watch me build and tune stuff don't want to see what it does. I don't really care. I go to shows and do this for me and I made vids before I had a YouTube. I just find it odd that people want to see an engine go together and unsub if I use it. I've always been obsessed with racing though, so I'm probably just weird.
EDIT : On a more practical note; I don't think I'll be doing much tuning before the car show this weekend. Initially the leftovers of Ian were supposed to cause rain and wind through Sunday. Now they say through Wednesday and maybe Thur. That doesn't leave me time to go through a tuning process that I'd want to (not when a camera is involved) so I probably won't bother with doing much.
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Post by hippo008 on Oct 3, 2022 11:43:47 GMT -5
I am not sure its worth worrying about a 6 subscriber loss. By my count you are at 64,500 subscribers. Losing 6 of them is a 0.009% loss. In my eyes thats not a metric even worth considering especially if you enjoy creating the riding videos. Not to get too deep here but if youre not having fun whats the point?
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Post by 90GTVert on Oct 3, 2022 11:50:20 GMT -5
I am not sure its worth worrying about a 6 subscriber loss. By my count you are at 64,500 subscribers. Losing 6 of them is a 0.009% loss. In my eyes thats not a metric even worth considering especially if you enjoy creating the riding videos. It's mostly just the idea that people want to watch me build and tune and maintain stuff that see me ride it aside from the usual test runs and are like "$^%& that, I'm outta here" that confuses me. Not sure why they'd think I put together a race setup to gently accelerate to below the speed limit with both wheels on the ground. I do what I do regardless.
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Post by captincvmn on Oct 3, 2022 15:18:06 GMT -5
Cruising the OC circuit with you is on my bucket list. I had all intentions of doing it in ‘22 but then got proposed to in February and married in July. Used up any extra money and time I “thought” I had. And of corse now Its broken again.
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Post by 90GTVert on Oct 3, 2022 16:29:45 GMT -5
Cruising the OC circuit with you is on my bucket list. I had all intentions of doing it in ‘22 but then got proposed to in February and married in July. Used up any extra money and time I “thought” I had. And of corse now Its broken again.
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Post by 90GTVert on Oct 6, 2022 15:07:27 GMT -5
I took T2 just into town today for a quick lap to make sure it still runs... and I actually saw another scooter within 2 miles of my house! Older model 2T. Rider older than me with no helmet (we have a helmet law). He was putting on a side street quite slowly. He came to a stop sign right after I got near him and turned around to look at me as he turned. I waved and he just turned back around and kept creeping (~20MPH maybe) so I passed him on a double yellow before hard braking for the next stop sign, left with the wheel skimming the ground, and that was that.
I did 2 acceleration tests. I think the clutch slips too much now. When I moved back on the seat and looked down it was at around 13,700RPM. It felt like it slipped too much. Just to listen to it, it sounded quite good with it going straight up to peak power RPM and sticking around there but it didn't feel like it pulled as hard. The dragy confirms that it's slow.
I just don't have the time to try to tune it before the car show this weekend. I could, but not on camera so I'll just leave it. It'll certainly still get the wheel up so that'll work. I never got the torsion controller from ScooterTuning till today, so it took a week. Unusual for them. Didn't really matter. I was working on other stuff anyway.
Oh, I put the Zuma reg/rec back before that ride and it's overcharging at higher RPM again... but that's better than the barely charging setup when you're spending a lot of time sitting at lights and going slow.
I swapped in a new spark plug, cleaned the wheels and applied a fresh coat of grip glue to the throttle side grip and I'll call that good for now.
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Post by 90GTVert on Oct 6, 2022 15:13:48 GMT -5
I finally added a few bits to my tool kit so I could use the impact driver with it. I replaced the old Harbor Freight bag that had a hole in it and was pretty grimy inside. This was inexpensive on Amazon and fits the seat well, and seems to be well made. So, if anyone is in need of an underseat bag; here’s a link : amzn.to/3ymWp6l
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Post by captincvmn on Oct 6, 2022 16:13:22 GMT -5
You’re allowed to make adjustments off camera, as long as you don’t tell us.
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